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Hear Hip Hop's not-so-hidden message
Houston Chronicle ^ | 09/16/03 | CLARENCE PAGE

Posted on 09/16/2003 6:10:48 AM PDT by bedolido

AS marketing schemes go, the hip-hop music star Nelly risks sending a lot of mixed signals with the name of the new energy drink he's marketing.

It's called "Pimp Juice."

I could be wrong, but "Pimp Juice" does not sound to me like something that you want to put in your mouth.

Either way, you won't get a chance to find out, if certain leaders of black community organizations have their way.

In Los Angeles, three organizations called Project Islamic HOPE, the National Alliance for Positive Action, and the National Black Anti-Defamation League staged a press conference last Tuesday (Sept. 9) to urge the removal of the rapper's energy drink from store shelves.

In Chicago, the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of mostly black St. Sabina Catholic Church, threatened to boycott any store that carried the drink.

In Durham, N.C., the Rev. Paul Scott, founder of the Messianic Afrikan Nation, said in news reports, "As black men we should be building a nation of strong black leaders, not a nation of super energized, drunk pimps."

The complaint: Pimp Juice glorifies the world's second oldest profession, the employment of women in the first oldest profession.

Nelly and his spokesmen beg to differ. In launching the drink on Sept. 1, he said it was named after his hit song Pimp Juice from his 2002 multi-platinum album, Nellyville. "Pimp juice is anything that attracts the opposite sex," he said. "Whatever you (are) using to win with right now, that's your juice -- that's your pimp juice, so keep pimping."

Well, maybe.

Back in the prehistoric age before there was rap music or, for that matter, laptops or cell phones, my generation had such terms as "pimp walk," "pimp style" or simply "pimpin"' some sucker who didn't know any better. But we never had any confusion as to where the word came from.

Nor, it appears, does the mainstream of hip-hop culture, which too often refers to women by the disrespectful term "ho," as in Ludacris' lyric, "I've got ho's/ In different area codes..."?)

Queen Latifah, among other hip-hop icons, tried to nip such creeping misogyny (it means disrespect for women, children, look it up) in the bud. In her uplifting tune U.N.I.T.Y., she beseeches her sisters, "You gotta let him know.../ You ain't a bitch or a ho."

Now pimp glorification has come to center stage in rapperland. The video for popular rapper 50 Cent's mega-hit PIMP portrays him as a novice pimp before the grand pimp council, presided over by rapper Snoop Dogg with his sequined "spiritual advisor," Bishop Don "Magic" Juan at his side.

I remember the colorful bishop (who also appeared onstage with Snoop and faux ho's at the MTV Video Music Awards) from my days as a police reporter in Chicago back in the 1970s. He used to be the West Side's pimp supreme until he found another of the world's oldest professions: preaching.

Juan's playful pimp-style is amusing these days but hardly the sort of role modeling that self-respecting parents want for their kids or their community. Nelly's Pimp Juice seems like the last straw to those who are upset about out-of-wedlock birth rates in black communities since the mid-1960s, rates that leveled off in the late 1990s at close to 70 percent of live black births.

Worse, soaring child abandonment rates have left millions of kids to grow up without the benefit of having both parents.

And while out-of-wedlock births have leveled off among blacks, they have begun to soar since the 1980s among whites to more than 25 percent, the level that first caused alarm in the mid-1960s when it appeared among blacks.

It is too easy in my view to blame the rise in irresponsible sex and breakdown in parenthood entirely on rap music or other media. There are many reasons why something as complex as out-of-wedlock birth rates rises.

But, it also would be too easy to say that the media don't have any impact at all.

With pop culture pumping out the message that pimpin' and other irresponsible sex is cool, it is increasingly important that parents and others offer young people some healthier messages, too.

Just as my generation respected heroes like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Harriet Tubman, Medgar Evers and Mary McCloud Bethune, we should help today's youngsters find role models who can help them lift their eyes out of the gutter and aim them toward the stars.

The chief youth consultant in our house, also known as my 14-year-old son, once told me that "Kids can tell the difference between satire and seriousness, Dad."

In other words, youngsters don't necessarily follow rap stars as role models. That's true. Still, someone needs to let them know that they have other choices.

Page is a Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist specializing in urban issues. He is based in Washington, D.C. (cpage@tribune.com)


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To: F16Fighter
I know. Country music is still 1000% more conservative than rap ever will be...even in its sexed-up, star-crazed state.

21 posted on 09/16/2003 8:59:33 AM PDT by =Intervention= (Bushbots, Arniebots, all trapped in the cult of personality practicing mannequin virtue)
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To: cyborg
I agree. Any genre that is commercially viable gets perverted sooner or later (that even goes for Christian music, sadly enough).
22 posted on 09/16/2003 9:01:34 AM PDT by =Intervention= (Bushbots, Arniebots, all trapped in the cult of personality practicing mannequin virtue)
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To: =Intervention=
Country music was great before it turned into a new country Shania Twain and Faith Hill juggernaut... same thing with rap. Rap music started out great UNTIL someone said hmmm... gangsta life and all our social drama rap.

About christian music...well look at Amy Grant. Need I say more?
23 posted on 09/16/2003 9:04:38 AM PDT by cyborg (member of the tinfoil hat society)
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To: rdb3; Dallas59
All Rap Music Suxs...IMO All Country Music Suxs...IMO

Can I toss in Hawaiian Music?

24 posted on 09/16/2003 9:04:39 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Why do the Flag postage stamps peel off upside down..infiltrators?)
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To: bedolido
Censor police alert...I actually found the idea of "Pimp Juice" pretty funny. Come on guys, Redbull is marketed as an "energy drink", but many guys think it's canned viagra.
Parents are responsible for what their kids see and buy. If they can market this stuff, and people are willing to pay a premium for it...let them make some money.
25 posted on 09/16/2003 9:05:46 AM PDT by Katya
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Definitely worth a two-fer (B/C & JD!) ping...

I need to masticate and digest this (figuratively, not literally!) before I weigh in on it.

There are several issues that come into question with this - hip hop "culture" (both pro and con), the voice and role of the black church here, and most notably, the deafening silence of the so-called black "leadership" on the matter. I'll have more to say on it soon.

26 posted on 09/16/2003 9:06:27 AM PDT by mhking (Laugh while you can, monkey boy...)
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To: Pikamax
When I saw that pic in the New York Post I cut it out. Hideki Matsui looks GOOOOOOD!!! They're going to put his pic on some of the Nippon airplane fleet. Wonder if they will use your example? lol
27 posted on 09/16/2003 9:07:06 AM PDT by cyborg (member of the tinfoil hat society)
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To: Zack Nguyen
A huge number of AA's ......


Too much Acceptance, not enough Accountability! IMHO
28 posted on 09/16/2003 9:16:56 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: cyborg
Why would a black FReeper know more than you anyway?

Because they were raised in black culture and I was not. They might have a perspective that I do not have. It doesn't mean I'm not licensed to have an opinion, it just means I want more info.

If the people who are making records like Pimp Juice went to church maybe they wouldn't.

Good point.

29 posted on 09/16/2003 9:18:55 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: bicycle thug
Here's someone else who fits this music's image and ambiance;

(I don't know who his date in the picture is.)


This is a disgrace to dogs everywhere. Where's PETA.
30 posted on 09/16/2003 9:19:04 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: bedolido
It is too easy in my view to blame the rise in irresponsible sex and breakdown in parenthood entirely on rap music or other media.

Of course it's too easy to blame the breakdown of black families on rap music, but we'll give it a shot anyway huh?

BTW: This was on O'Reilly show last night. While I concede his point that kids ought not be listening to gangsta rap music, as his guest Joseph Simmons (of Run DMC) pointed out. There is plenty of other much more VISUAL media out there with negative VISUAL images for kids to absorb starting with just about everything on TV. Hammering away at Rap music as the source of any sort of problems in black society today is just intellectually dishonest in my opinion.

31 posted on 09/16/2003 9:25:54 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Katya; mhking; Poohbah; Miss Marple; PJ-Comix; E Rocc; rdb3
I have to agree with Katya on this. I've grown somewhat uncomfortable with some of the push for "morality in media". There are two devices people ought to be VERY familiar with on any entertainment media:

1. The tuning dial or its equivalent for DVD/VHS/CD players.
2. The off switch.

You might not care for Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony. Fine, that is your prerogative. But do NOT impose upon those of us that DO enjoy listening to Howard or NWA or Ice-T. Can we all agree on that?
32 posted on 09/16/2003 9:26:46 AM PDT by hchutch (The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
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To: Dallas59
"All Rap Music Suxs...IMO"

Since when do you get the idea that Rap is music??
33 posted on 09/16/2003 9:27:04 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ain't Skeered...)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Because they were raised in black culture and I was not.

** I pinged the BC list.

They might have a perspective that I do not have. It doesn't mean I'm not licensed to have an opinion, it just means I want more info.

** Nothing wrong with wanting more info, except that black culture is vague anyway, about as vague as white culture.
34 posted on 09/16/2003 9:27:15 AM PDT by cyborg (member of the tinfoil hat society)
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To: Smogger
Hammering away at Rap music as the source of any sort of problems in black society today is just intellectually dishonest in my opinion. ** Well where have you been? Don't you know black people can't have problems like everyone else?!
35 posted on 09/16/2003 9:29:33 AM PDT by cyborg (member of the tinfoil hat society)
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To: hchutch
I listen to Howard Stern.... mostly to listen to Robin read the news. I didn't like Opie and Anthony. They were pointless. At least Howard Stern has a brain, even if he is a perv.

I like one song by 50cent. But then I like more by Guns and Roses...oh well.
36 posted on 09/16/2003 9:31:28 AM PDT by cyborg (member of the tinfoil hat society)
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To: rdb3
LOL....but you like Pink Floyd and we all know it!

(grinning)
39 posted on 09/16/2003 9:38:11 AM PDT by wardaddy (Roland will be missed by me.)
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