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Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ^ | Sept. 27, 2003 | staff

Posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

Title: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/html/activism.html Published: Sep 25, 2003 Author: staff

Beginning Sept. 28th thru Oct. 4th, many of us will be joining groups from across the country to counter the Illegal Immigrants Freedom Ride to DC. We will be using toll free phone numbers (that we pay for) to blitz the Senate, House and the Whitehouse on behalf of the hardworking citizens of the United States....the taxpayers.

Phone Nos.:

Senate and House: 1-800-648-3516

(When answered, just ask to be connected to a specific Senator or Rep)

Republican Nat'l Committee: 1-202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414 (voice)

WH fax: 202-456-2461

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

Please join us. NUMBERS MATTER! It's our only hope to keep our politicians in line on this issue. We did it once early in the Bush Administration when he first pushed amnesty for illegals. It was a success! But we need you now to counter the Illegal's demand for "rights."

Please give us some time, if only to call your own Senators and Representatives to protest this invasion. And please consider calling as many of them as you can! In coming days I'll be posting links to the current incumbents, as well as a list of key sponsors of Pro-Illegal bills before the House and Senate.

Click on the above URL for a cram course on the Illegal Invasion.

The following are frequently asked questions to be used as talking points. Please print a copy to use in the event you actually get a "human being" to talk to! :0)

Frequently Asked Questions About Immigration Policy and Its Effects

How many immigrants come to the U.S.?

In 2001, more than one million immigrants were admitted to the United States. Additionally, about 500,000 entered illegally. This is nearly four times as many immigrants as we were receiving only 30 years ago.

Where are immigrants to the U.S. coming from?

About 20 percent come from Mexico. India, China, and the Philippines each send between five to seven percent. The following countries each send between two and three percent of our immigrants: Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti, Bosnia, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Korea, Russia, and Nicaragua. Together, these top 15 sending countries account for about 60 percent of all immigration to the U.S. The remaining 40 percent is composed of very small shares from a large number of other countries.

Who is able to immigrate?

Most immigration (almost two-thirds) is sponsored by family members in this country who most often immigrated themselves and are now legal permanent residents or have become U.S. citizens. Smaller shares of admissions (about one-sixth) go to workers (and their families) whom employers say they need to complement the native workforce, and to refugees and asylees (about one-tenth). In addition, about one out of every 25 admissions visas is given away by lottery.

Who is responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

As a sovereign state, the United States has the right and responsibility to regulate the permanent and temporary admissions of non-citizens. This authority is vested in the Congress, which makes the laws that determine the basis on which visas are authorized (although refugee admissions are proposed annually by the President for concurrance by the Congress). The regulations that promulgate those laws are developed and administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) a division of the Department of Justice (DOJ). Within the INS, there are the Border Patrol, which monitors the borders against illegal entry; the INS Inspectors, who monitor people entering the U.S. at ports of entry such as airports; INS Investigators, who track down violators of immigration law; and immigration judges (appointed by the Attorney General), who hear cases on violations of immigration law and regulation. Independent from the INS but still within in the DOJ, there is a Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) administered by the Executive Office for Immigration Review; the BIA hears appeals of decisions by the immigration judges.

Is immigration different now than it used to be?

Immigration is much higher now than it has historically been. Through most of our country's history (more than 180 years), we took in fewer than 500,000 immigrants a year; for more than 135 of those years, it was fewer than 300,000 immigrants. In 2001, our country admitted 1,064,318 legal immigrants, as well as an estimated additional 500,000 illegal immigrants. Only seven years in our entire history have had as many immigrants as we received in 2001.

Why should we reduce immigration?

Because so many of today's immigrants are low-skilled, mass immigration brings competition for entry-level jobs, harming American low-skilled workers. Because most of today's immigrants are poor, they are a drain on our fiscal resources and our economy. Because immigrants are being admitted faster they assimilate, mass immigration is causing social strain and strife among different groups. And because immigration is the source of most population growth in the U.S., it strains the environment and our natural resources.

How many immigrants should we have?

FAIR believes we should strive for a system in which continuing immigration does not add to our population size. That would mean admitting between 200,000 and 300,000 immigrants a year. This would allow us to maximize the positive effects of immigration without overwhelming our environment, schools, social services, and other institutions. It would also contribute to U.S. population stability over the long-term.

Answers to Tough Questions

Arguments you will hear…and the replies to have ready!

“Immigration is a big part of American tradition and national character. We are a nation of immigrants. ”

The fact is, immigration levels today are far higher than traditional levels; in the mid 1950s, our immigration was less than one-third what it is today. Also, the U.S. today is a very different country than in years past. We’re now a fully populated nation of almost 290 million people, not the sparsely settled territory of 150 years ago. Today we’re concerned about limiting sprawl, overcrowding, and environmental stress. Yet, if today’s rate of immigration is continued, it will add nearly 150 million people to our population over the next 80 years. How will that help achieve a single U.S. objective? Will it decrease traffic and other forms of congestion, improve water tables, decrease school overcrowding, cut oil consumption, reduce housing costs? Not one single domestic objective of our nation is being facilitated by today’s mass migration.

“Immigration has been good for us in the past and has made our nation great.”

Immigration in the past did bring benefits--in the past, the U.S. needed large numbers of people to settle the frontiers, cut forests, build railroads, mine gold, and much more. Today’s priorities are preserving our remaining wilderness areas, conserving our natural resources, and ensuring a better quality of life for future generations.

Furthermore, immigration in the past has been quite limited. History shows us that immigration at high levels is not beneficial, which is why the country cut back immigration after the brief Ellis Island period. In the past, we have successfully absorbed and assimilated immigrants because we have periodically halted immigration.

“Throughout our history, people have always attacked immigration and they have always been wrong.”

While people have opposed immigration for a variety of motives over the years, Americans have always had legitimate concerns about immigration and its effects on our population, economy, and society. While we have coped successfully with some of these concerns in the past, that is largely because mass immigration to this country was stopped, not because the concerns were unfounded.

“Immigration is less of a problem today because immigrants comprise a smaller share of our overall population than ever before.”

Quite the opposite is true. When there were fewer people in this country, there was more room and opportunity for immigrants. Now, in a country already stuffed with well over a quarter of a billion people, adding another million through immigration every year is much more of a problem. The more people we have in our country, the fewer immigrants can be added without unwanted consequences.

“Opposition to high immigration is rooted in racism.”

There are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn’t make the idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a million additional people from other countries into this one is disruptive to our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn racism. But we also condemn the use of terms such as “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” or “xenophobe” as they are used to try to stifle open, honest discussion of how our immigration policy is impacting the country.

“Immigrants are a driving force behind our economy, performing jobs that Americans won’t do.”

There are no jobs Americans won’t do, only conditions and wages that are unacceptable. The employers who have become economically dependent on immigrants for cheap labor use this argument to justify virtual indentured servitude and then try to shame Americans into accepting it. Job competition by waves of new immigrants depresses the wages and salaries of American workers and hits hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

“Immigrants don’t take jobs from Americans, they create more jobs.”

Actually, both are true. But many of those jobs created are jobs in providing services to immigrants. Other jobs that immigrants create are generally low-skilled and mostly go to other other immigrants anyway. This doesn’t really benefit Americans at all; it simply creates distortions in the economy, generally away from the high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy most Americans support. And it doesn’t in any way address the increased burdens on our schools, environment, social services, and natural resources that bringing in so many additional people causes.

“We live in a global economy and must have foreign workers to compete in the world market.”

Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

“Immigrants are a net benefit, because they pay taxes and contribute more to our society than they cost.”

The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. A calculation to the contrary works only if you discount the programs used by the immigrants’ children, refugees and asylees, immigrants who aren’t of working age, illegal immigrants working “off the books,” and immigrants from certain countries.

This argument also ignores the impact of sacrificing farmland and forests to roads and housing developments, increasing congestion to the point that people spend more time in traffic than at home with their families, and raising the burden on our already strained water supply and other natural resources.

“A country as big as America has room for lots more people.”

A country isn’t a big box that you stuff as many people in as possible. It’s a society supported by an environment, and the question isn’t how many people can physically fit in it, but how many people the society wants and the environment can support. Many of the “wide open spaces ” in the U.S. are inhospitable deserts or mountains, or are already used as farmland to raise food to support the population living on the coasts and to export to feed people in other countries.

“Immigrants catch up quickly economically and soon blend into American society.”

There is increasing evidence of groups of immigrants who are trapped in depressed inner cities, and their children similarly find themselves unable to escape poverty. Today more than 21 million people in our country say that they speak English less than very well. Besides, the hub of the problem is not the rate at which immigrants are assimilating, it’s the rate at which we are admitting them. As long as we have mass immigration, the bulk of unassimilated people in our culture will grow, causing social tension and conflict.

“Illegal immigration is the only real problem, not legal immigration.”

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty in 1986 that gave legal status to nearly three million illegal residents and provisions that allow illegal immigrants to become legal residents if they marry someone legally here, i.e., Section 245(i). There is little difference between the societal effects from illegal immigrants and from those who were amnestied (and the same is true to a large extent for family members sponsored by former illegal aliens).

“We have a humanitarian obligation to take in struggling people from other countries.”

We can’t solve the world’s problems by importing a tiny fraction of the millions who would like to come here. Instead, we should solve problems where people live and help them turn their countries into places that people aren’t driven to leave. But although the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees says that foreign aid and assistance is best utilized when the resources are spent on alleviating problems at their source, the U.S. channels a large share of its refugee resources on the transportation, language training, cultural adaptation, and assistance grants to refugees resettled in the United States that could benefit many more refugees if expended on temporary shelter and sustenance at refugee facilities near the refugees’ homeland and in the refugees’ eventual return to their homes.

It should be noted, however, that the United States admits as refugees many persons who are not true refugees under the United Nations’ standard, e.g. people from Cuba who do not qualify for asylum in this country.


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KEYWORDS: alien; bus; fair; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform
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To: DumpsterDiver
I currently have a TN Visa (http://travel.state.gov/tn_visas.html) and an I94 document, my wife has TD (dependant status = not allowed to work) My son was born in Idaho so he is already an American citizen. Since I am from Canada (insert Canuck joke here) I fall into a NAFTA catagory. Now the biggest thing that we are worried about is that if we leave the USA we will have to get a new WVP Visa (http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/shared/lawenfor/bmgmt/inspect/vwpp.htm), so the road to naturalization is geting really bumpy for us.
242 posted on 09/30/2003 7:46:39 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: MD_Willington_1976
(insert Canuck joke here)

I'd like to but I'm fresh out. :-)

There are so many hoops to jump through that it's maddening. Could an immigration attorney help expedite anything for you? It seems that your son being an American citizen might carry at least some weight.

At any rate, good luck to you and your family. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed. It really bugs me to see illegal aliens getting their butts smooched while people like you are given the bum's rush.

243 posted on 09/30/2003 8:08:17 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
Canuck joke

A dad walks into a market followed by his ten-year-old son. The kid is spinning a 25 cent piece in the air and catching it between his teeth.

As they walk through the market someone bumps into the boy at just the wrong moment and the coin goes straight into his mouth and lodges in his throat.

He immediately starts choking and going blue in the face and Dad starts panicking, shouting and screaming for help.

A middle-aged, fairly un-noticeable man in a grey suit is sitting at a coffee bar in the market reading his newspaper and sipping a cup of coffee.

At the sound of the commotion he looks up, puts his coffee cup down on the saucer, neatly folds his newspaper and places it on the counter.

He gets up from his seat and makes his unhurried way across the market.

Reaching the boy (who is still standing, but only just)the man carefully takes hold of the boys shoulder and quickly knees him in the groin.

The boy immediately convulses and coughs up the 25 cent piece, which the man catches in his free hand.

Releasing the boy, the man puts the coin in his pocket and walks back to his seat in the coffee bar without saying a word.

As soon as he is sure that his son has suffered no lasting ill-effects, the father rushes over to the man and starts effusively thanking him.

The man brushes off the father's thanks. As he's about to leave, the father asks one last question:

"I've never seen anybody do anything like that before - it was fantastic - what are you, a surgeon or something like that?"

"Oh, good heavens no, I work for Revenue Canada."


Haha..now for the serious stuff

Having our son (some people call him our "Anchor Baby") born in the USA literally has no weight when it comes to getting naturalized, in fact my wife is scared that if we have to leave the USA that child welfare may take our son then he will be a ward of the state...I dont think that will happen though.

The company I am working for is trying to get our staus changed to immigrant alien but the paperwork is taking forever(http://atlas.doleta.gov/foreign/times.asp#state).

We actually have to go through a pile of government agencies like DOL (http://www.doleta.gov/), DOJ (http://www.usdoj.gov/), & DHL/BCIS (http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/index.htm)

I have also gone through backgroud checks & all that with the FBI, INTERPOL, RCMP (Canada) & local law enforcement..No criminal record anywhere...

The company just changed from one group of lawyers to another. The first lawyer in WA said that I could possibly have a green card by this November, the new immigration lawyer in DC is saying a few more years. Whats that all about, We are sort of getting dis-heartened by the whole deal, We really don't want to go back to Canada since it is such a joke up there.

My wife and I don't want to have to wait until our son is 18 to get naturalized...but we might have to

Oh well....take it easy

MD

244 posted on 09/30/2003 8:44:02 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: truthkeeper
Thank you for your kind compliment, Truthkeeper. I have a tendency to be long-winded. Consider yourself warned!

My Mom is simply awesome. That is the only way to describe her. As soon as I can figure out how to post pictures in this forum, I will do so. She oozes Spunk! HA!

One question...what is a "BUMP?"
245 posted on 09/30/2003 11:10:13 AM PDT by Conservatish
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To: JustPiper
Thank you, JustPiper! Damned if I'm not blushing!
246 posted on 09/30/2003 11:11:59 AM PDT by Conservatish
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To: 4Freedom
4Freedom, Thank you. I am fearful for my childrens' future and the kind of country that is left to them. That is why I decided I had to do something other than make phone calls, write letters, etc. I called INS TWICE to report that undocumented aliens would be in Indianapolis. I gave them the time and the place. Not one agent showed up. No politicians, either state or federal, answer letters or e-mails regarding the issue of immigration, along with other issues. No one cares and there will be a backlash if they do not start listening. We are tired of being ignored simply because politicians do not have the testicular fortitude to address the problems in our country.

I'm sitting here getting mad all over again. I was made to look bad in the local news. I didn't expect anything less, but I had hoped that maybe this time.....

The newspaper reporter simply LIED about the amount of support given to illegal aliens. I have written him but haven't received a response.

Our tax money was used to pay the police officers to stand and PROTECT CRIMINALS...people who have broken federal law, for crying out loud.

What has this world come to?
247 posted on 09/30/2003 11:24:52 AM PDT by Conservatish
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Thank you, Eternal! I did have a good time...fresh air, a cool breeze and the excitement in the air was almost palpable. The only downside is seeing how things were played out in the press afterwards. Well, that and the lingering anger and bewilderment that so many people can be so ignorant.
248 posted on 09/30/2003 11:29:15 AM PDT by Conservatish
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To: Missouri
Thank you, Missouri. Ahhhh, southern Indiana, my stomping grounds from childhood to adulthood. Isn't it beautiful down there?
249 posted on 09/30/2003 11:32:05 AM PDT by Conservatish
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To: MD_Willington_1976
It makes no sense!! Things have got to change! Welcome to this country, MD. We need MORE LIKE YOU!!
250 posted on 09/30/2003 11:37:29 AM PDT by Conservatish
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To: Conservatish
Thanks for your report and all your efforts!
251 posted on 09/30/2003 11:43:29 AM PDT by Afronaut (Zombie voters For Liberals)
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To: Conservatish
One question...what is a "BUMP?"

Bumps(or "bttt") are good things. They are responses to your post that force the thread back up to the "latest thread" category so that more FReepers can read it. And yes, please do post pictures. I'd love to see those.

Another deserving bump to the top!

252 posted on 09/30/2003 12:09:46 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper
Then thank you for the Bump!

I must tell you, I am far from stupid, but I cannot figure out how to post pictures in this forum. I have read the "Help" category regarding posting. It discusses posting a new topic or posting a reply, but nothing about how a computer illiterate such as myself might post a picture. Can anyone help me, please?
253 posted on 09/30/2003 12:50:51 PM PDT by Conservatish
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To: Conservatish; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; BlackElk; Rabid Republican; ambrose; rintense; ...
Can anyone help me, please?

Can someone please advise this good lady on how to post pictures? Thank you. (I would but I don't know how either!)

254 posted on 09/30/2003 2:07:32 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: TLI
Bump, thanx! Do we get charged calling tollfree at home? ;)
255 posted on 09/30/2003 3:05:24 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
Move to Mexico and then it may work?
256 posted on 09/30/2003 3:06:30 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
Why not go down to INS and bring up all the points the illegals are using and tell them you want the very same considerations!
257 posted on 09/30/2003 3:09:03 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: Conservatish
Bump=keeping the post at the top and we like it -g- to post an image:
258 posted on 09/30/2003 3:10:31 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: Conservatish
The Border Patrol also tried to do their job in Texas last week and got on the bus asking for papers. Two CongressCritter's intervened and the illegals cried racial profiling, could not be touched!

It was said a week before the ride began Feds gave the orders to all authorities, do not arrest or deport.
259 posted on 09/30/2003 3:12:55 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: truthkeeper; Conservatish
I don't have a lot of help to offer, but I believe the first thing to do is get your pictures online somewhere. There is a list here of websites where you can store your photos.

That's all I know unless you already have URLs for the pictures.

260 posted on 09/30/2003 3:19:25 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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