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SMOKING BAN ACCOMPLISHES LITTLE, OTHER THAN BURDENING BUSINESSES
Niagara Falls Reporter ^ | August 26 2003 | David Staba

Posted on 09/30/2003 6:09:48 AM PDT by CSM

One month into "Smoke-Free New York," a few things are clear.

The non-smokers who were supposedly going to flood restaurants and bars once they weren't exposed to the horrors of second-hand smoke aren't going to such establishments any more than they did before July 24, when the nation's strictest indoor smoking ban took effect.

The idea that people who didn't enjoy the occasional cocktail would start doing so was preposterous from the get-go. Not to mention hypocritical, since it implied that one of the benefits of preventing people from smoking was to induce others to drink alcohol, the most devastating drug known to man.

The Big Lie propagated by anti-smoking activists was a cynical ruse used to sway the simple folk who populate the New York State Legislature, who become particularly gullible when their leaders get their pockets stuffed with lobbyist cash. They, in turn, used it as a feeble defense to ward off the ire of constituents furious that such a massive intrusion on private business owners was quietly rushed into law last spring.

Anyone who bought the Big Lie then was a sucker. Anyone who still expounds it is something far worse.

Scores of the service employees supporters of the ban claimed they want to protect are looking for jobs, because their old ones don't exist.

Some Niagara Falls establishments have laid off bartenders and waitresses due to flagging business. Others have cut back their hours of operation, meaning fewer hours of employment for their remaining workers.

Supporters of the ban change their rationale as often as George Bush alters his stated motivation for invading Iraq. But a pamphlet distributed by the state health department, "A Guide for Restaurants and Bars to New York State's Clean Indoor Air Act," makes the reasoning clear, at least at the moment it was printed:

"Why was the state clean indoor air act amended to include restaurants and bars?" one header asks.

"Waitresses have higher rates of lung and heart disease than any other traditionally female occupational group, according to a study published by the 'Journal of the American Medical Association,'" reads the answer. "According to the same report, one shift in a smoky bar is equivalent to smoking 16 cigarettes in a day."

Talk about wildly flawed logic. The AMA's findings regarding lung and heart disease rates may well be true, but blaming it on their jobs ignores how many waitresses smoke away from work in comparison with other "traditionally female occupational groups," whatever that means.

The only places around Niagara Falls even treading water since the ban are those with outdoor patio areas. But after Labor Day, when sitting outside without shelter -- and the law expressly forbids any sort of roof over any outdoor smoking area -- becomes much less appealing, the ban's true impact will be exponentially felt.

The ban has actually helped some businesses. Unfortunately for local entrepreneurs, they're located in neighboring states and on Seneca Nation land in downtown Niagara Falls.

An Associated Press report earlier this month detailed the spike in bar and restaurant business in the border areas of Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and New Jersey. Meanwhile, many local smokers report visiting the Seneca Niagara Casino more frequently, since the smoking police haven't attempted to extend the ban there. Yet.

People still smoke in bars where the owners are willing to take their chances.

And the odds of getting fined aren't nearly as short as the state would have you believe.

While no Niagara County business has yet been fined, the county Health Department, saddled by the state legislature with enforcing the law, isn't completely ignoring it, either.

One bar owner said a health inspector visited the establishment and said some snitch had called to complain about smoking in the place.

No one was smoking in the bar when the inspector got there, so she couldn't cite the bar owner, but said another complaint would mean another visit, and so on.

The law allows local health departments to provide hardship waivers, but Niagara County has yet to come up with guidelines for even applying for such an exemption, much less receiving it.

The state-printed pamphlet is equally vague on what to do if a customer insists on smoking.

"You or your staff must remind them of the Act and you may politely explain that they must step outside to smoke. If a customer refuses to comply with the Act, use common sense. The purpose of the Act is to protect others from the harmful effects of second-hand smoke. DO NOT CALL the police unless the violator is threatening physical harm or is belligerent."

Use common sense? What does that mean? Let them smoke and risk a fine? Throw water on them? Make sure you get in the first punch?

Note the stress placed on not calling the police.

The message from state lawmakers couldn't be clearer -- we're going to make you chase away some of your best customers, we're not going to spend one penny to help enforce the law we claim is so crucial to the health of you and your employees, and you'd better like it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Staba is the sports editor of the Niagara Falls Reporter. He welcomes e-mail at dstaba13@aol.com.


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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I agree. In my area, the public was against the smoking bans voted in, but now they love it and are in favor of it. It's a selfish agenda vs. the big picture.

News from Florida:

The ban has been especially tough on smaller, local hangouts like Rodbender's Raw Bar and Grill in Cutler Ridge.

For nearly two months after the law took effect, owner Kathy McMillan banned smoking. She said she lost almost 90 percent of her customers, and more than $14,000 in sales.

41 posted on 09/30/2003 7:43:12 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Tacis
A business open to the public can't justify offenses against any single customer by claiming privaye property.

If they give advance notice of the "offenses," they certainly may.

42 posted on 09/30/2003 7:45:06 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
I'm in Massachusetts,let me know if you open one. Sounds like fun!!!
43 posted on 09/30/2003 7:50:15 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears
I guess I'll need a password
44 posted on 09/30/2003 7:56:25 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: Tacis
Tobacco is so addictive that it cuts the brain power of smokers in half..."

Do you know, have you read, or are you aware of the effect of cigarette smoking on brain waves? Do you know which, smokers vs non-smokers, have the most beta waves, the brain waves associated with critical reasoning, and which have the most alpha, the brain waves associated with a dreamlike, emotional haze?

Do you know the relationship between Alzheimer's disease and smoking?

I'm going to say something so UN-PC that you may be shocked: Tobacco smoke smells nice. It is as pleasant as incense. It is alluring, on a man wearing a wool sweater and a leather jacket...it's pleasing on a woman in silk, and it blends nicely with her perfume...It's a relaxing smell, soft, non-intrusive, and a great background to slow jazz music and interesting conversations...The smells of fresh baked bread, hot coffee, and a cigarette are intoxicating in the morning...after dinner, the smell of cigarettes blends perfectly with the single-malt scotch in a heavy crystal glass...Smoke is so much more than a smell, it's the soft rise of misty swirls, it's the lipsticked kiss on the end of a filter, the click and fire of the lighter...it's an adult pleasure, it's a zone that says relax...

I'm a part-time smoker...I smoke a pack in four or five days...I think you people are uncultured busybodies...

45 posted on 09/30/2003 8:09:08 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
You could use the following:

You through small window in thick door, "What can I do for you?"
Me: "I need a hugh cigarette right now!"
You: "Is it series?"
Me: "Yes, vey!"
You: "Come in and smoke em if you got em!"
46 posted on 09/30/2003 8:09:46 AM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: CSM
What about private clubs? I haven't seen much about them...I remember being in Wichita in the 80s...the bars there had a novel way of getting around the laws, every bar was a private club, and you could join for a small fee at the door...then you could be served the way customers were at any corner tavern in Missouri...
47 posted on 09/30/2003 8:13:14 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: Tacis
A business open to the public can't justify offenses against any single customer by claiming privaye property.
So what you are saying is that if Donald Wildmon walks into a bar, they must quit serving alcohol because drinking offends him?

-Eric

48 posted on 09/30/2003 8:20:55 AM PDT by E Rocc (If we let government take on the parental role, we will all become "honorary children")
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Password-----"Joe Camel rules!"---Works for me.
49 posted on 09/30/2003 8:24:38 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Judith Anne
Tobacco smoke smells nice.

I'm all for the right to use tobacco or any other recreational substance---but I can't agree with this statement.

50 posted on 09/30/2003 8:26:12 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Gabz
The antis (I forget which group) sued OSHA to set a zero limit for ETS, when OSHA refused they sued. the lawsuit was quietly dropped because the antis finally got it through their collective blockheads that had OSHA set PELs for ETS, smoking would be permitted nearly everywhere.

A PEL of zero is impossible because most of the compnents of tobacco smoke already have acceptable PEL level and all sorts of things would have had to be eliminated - most of it having to do with cooking!!!

A PEL of "zero" would have had two problems. First of all, when speaking of chemical analysis there is no such number as "zero". All methods of analysis have detection limits, below which they cannot reliably detect the presence of the substance in question.

Second of all, cyanide has an OSHA established 8 hour time-weighted average PEL of 5 mg(CN)/m3. To say that ETS has a PEL of "zero" would be to say that it is more toxic than cyanide, an obviously absurd proposition.

However, if they establish a PEL, the whole thing becomes an issue of engineering, not behavior modification, defeating their purpose.

-Eric

51 posted on 09/30/2003 8:31:19 AM PDT by E Rocc (If we let government take on the parental role, we will all become "honorary children")
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To: bc2
The guy had a slamming business before the smoking ban; every night of the week was packed to the gills with 28-65 year olds of all kinds who wanted to hang out at what was pretty much the only non-smoking bar in town.
In a town the size of Rochester, the bolded part speaks volumes.

-Eric

52 posted on 09/30/2003 8:32:31 AM PDT by E Rocc (If we let government take on the parental role, we will all become "honorary children")
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To: Judith Anne
What about private clubs? I haven't seen much about them...

Different jurisdictions are handling that different ways. I'm not sure how NY is handling, my only direct experience is how Delaware is handling it.

In Delaware there are exemptions to the ban for Fraternal organizations such as the Moose and the Elks and the Lions, Volunteer Fire Companies, and VFWs and American Legions.

Private clubs are practically non-existent in Delaware, but the few that are (mostly country clubs) are exempt.

Opening a private club that serves alcohol is practically impossible in Delaware. If for example Joe's Bar & Grill wanted to become a private club they would have to show prove that the organization has specific membership guidleines, is not open to the public, has a specific goal, and can produce a minimum of 6 months worth of meeting minutes in addition to their by-laws. And while doing all of that - they would be unable to have a liquor license, have to pay a $500 non-refundable application fee, and go through all kinds of other hoops and loops.

In other words, the types of private club you are proposing is pretty much out of the question in Delaware.

53 posted on 09/30/2003 8:54:11 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: E Rocc
Thank you for your very clear explanation. I understand the concepts, but not being an engineer or chemist, I occasionally have difficulty coming across as clear as I would like to.

However, if they establish a PEL, the whole thing becomes an issue of engineering, not behavior modification, defeating their purpose.

That pretty much sums up the situation.

54 posted on 09/30/2003 8:56:07 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: Tacis
The free air legislation was never intended to increase business. It was meant solely to to prevent rude and inconsiderate tobacco addicts from contaminating the air for non-addicts.

W R O N G ! ! ! The smoking ban in New York was enacted specifically to protect the health of employees who work in bars and restaurants, which is why the Federal District Court sitting in Syracuse may strike the law as unconstitutional under the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution. Why is that, you ask? Because Congress in creating OSHA decided that the Feds should occupy the areas of workplace safety in order to have uniformity across the country and as a result, the states may not pass workplace safety laws that conflict with federal law.

Tobacco is so addictive that it cuts the brain power of smokers in half...

Yup, look what smoking did to Judge Scalia... turned him into a walking idiot. < /sarcasm >

55 posted on 09/30/2003 8:58:49 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: E Rocc
There was a few other non-smoking bars in town, plus a bunch of non-smoking restaurants and clubs.

I should have said he was the most prominant.
56 posted on 09/30/2003 9:13:39 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: Tacis
I hope you aren't really in charge of anything, because you have no idea what you're talking about.

Private property is not silliness. Smoking is certainly offensive to some people. It matters not, because you are free to patronize, or not, whatever businesses you choose to. Welcome to a Free Country (for now). You show how little you know by calling them "open to the public". They do not have to justify anything. There is no force involved in you patronizing, or not, their business; you are free to go to non-smoking bars and restaurants, repair shops where the mechanics don't smoke, shoe stores that have no smoking policies, etc.

You have every right to open a restaurant, and burn tires after dinner. It is your private property! I have every right to be offended. What I *DO NOT* have the right to do is dictate, through the force of government, what you do on your private property.

You also show how little you know by stating the legislation was enacted to keep the air clean for other customers. You're wrong: the legislation was passed under the guise of protecting the air quality for EMPLOYEES.

Here is a novel idea: why don't you mind your own damn business on your property, and if you are offended by an activity taking place on someone elses property, remember that at any time you are free to leave.

If not, you should call the police and file kidnapping charges.

It's idiots like you that will soon enable these nannys to ban steaks, and ice cream, and fatty foods etc.

If you don't believe me check out the website of John Banzhaf, a simple Google search will get you there. You will be shocked.

That is, unless you are just another nazi who can't wait for total control of every aspect of society.
57 posted on 09/30/2003 9:22:56 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: CSM
Just came back from a little trip out of town, stopped in at our favorite little restaurant to see how they were doing, waitress said, look around, the clients are running me ragged, there were 2 of them, the place seats appr 75, keep in mind, our ban has been in effect over 2 years, things are not getting better.
58 posted on 09/30/2003 10:35:08 AM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: SheLion
Waitresses have higher rates of lung and heart disease than any other traditionally female occupational group,

Besides, there is no mentioning of whether the study included smoking wait-staff, thus the study is a farce as always.

59 posted on 09/30/2003 10:42:02 AM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: Great Dane
Waitresses have higher rates of lung and heart disease than any other traditionally female occupational group,

I thought some of the AIR LINE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS claimed this same thing???!!!!

60 posted on 09/30/2003 10:45:21 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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