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To: Nov3
No, people on this thread are intelligent enough to see a difference between someone who is in pain that becomes addicted to painkillers and someone who uses drugs recreational. Only an idiot wouldn't make that distinction.

He is a dope addict, pure and simple. He risked everything for dope. His freedom, reputation, health, and possibly lost his hearing. At this point he is no different than a street addict as far as addiction goes. If he thinks he is, he is toast.

Guess that makes Nov3 an idiot. Nov, you seem a nice person, but on this issue you are extremely stiff-necked.

1,455 posted on 10/12/2003 11:23:29 AM PDT by madison10
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To: madison10; Nov3
Guess that makes Nov3 an idiot. Nov, you seem a nice person, but on this issue you are extremely stiff-necked.

I am too.

Addicts have to be stiff-necked about this stuff. Our sobriety depends on our honesty and our self-scrutiny.

If Rush doesn't get honest with himself -- that he is no better or worse than the rest of us addicts -- he won't stay clean. And then he will be toast.

1,456 posted on 10/12/2003 11:38:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: madison10
Guess that makes Nov3 an idiot. Nov, you seem a nice person, but on this issue you are extremely stiff-necked.

People are trying to dismiss this issue like Rush is different. Rush is not different. He is a drug addict. When I quit drinking I had to be serious about it. I hadn't suffered the extreme consequences others had even though I made a utter and complete mess of my life. Was I different than a gutter drunk? No! I was an alcoholic pure and simple. As bad as the gutter drunk. If I believed I was different, if I believed I was better than, had more control than, etc the end is almost certain. An alcoholic (or addict) must reach a bottom where they realize this or they must go to further extremes. Here is what I said:

He is a dope addict, pure and simple. He risked everything for dope. His freedom, reputation, health, and possibly lost his hearing. At this point he is no different than a street addict as far as addiction goes. If he thinks he is, he is toast.

It is true. Others here may have a problem with that but it is true. Drugs were worth more than Rush's values, reputation, freedom and he possibly lost his hearing to this addiction. That is junkie behavior whether you will admit it or not. Most people around here think alcoholics and addicts are bad people. MOST aren't. They have a horrible affliction. Rush has it.

You better hope he sees it that way. It is his only chance.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW HE GOT THERE, HE IS THERE.

1,458 posted on 10/12/2003 12:33:43 PM PDT by Nov3 (one day at a time since 10/12/1984)
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