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To: third double; attagirl
Well, I suppose its only right to draw your attention to the origin of this quotation.

... the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, "Preach the Gospel to every creature", the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.

Note the end of this paragraph, then explain to me again where the heresy is. If you want the qualifications of the quote, why not look to its source? I'm still looking for your implied "Islam is salvific" thrust here, and I just cannot find it.

67 posted on 12/12/2003 8:53:56 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; third double
Well, I'll be honest--it was late and I was feeling lazy so I relied on third double's quote without checking its origin.

Having said that, the expanded quote you provided (post 67) is a marvel of subtlety and, dare I say, double talk? (It's late again.) Yet returning to the original discussion, it certainly seems to imply there is more there than just salvation in the offing (esp. when you consider his past actions of kissing the Koran, etc).

Whatever.

I have misgivings about this pope, but I reserve judgment as I believe Our Lord's promise. And the pope's opinions, even about theological matters, aren't binding, nor are they infallible--even more so when he is speaking about extraordinary paths to salvation. So it's vain conjecture on my part to go further.

We'll just leave it at that. That's what I meant by not following a pope blindly.

72 posted on 12/12/2003 10:15:11 PM PST by attagirl (Proverbs 8:36 explains it all)
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