But Is Mel Gibson Catholic?

Pangaeus ^

[onedoug]

There were long private chapels all over Europe.

[kentuckyusa]

Mel Gisbson, by his own admission, is a Roman Catholic, not a Catholic.

There is a hyge difference in the two, a Roman Catholic is one who abides by the doctrines, teachings and traditions of the church of Rome.

A Catholic is a Born Again Christian, all who make up the body of the church, the bride of Christ.

[nmh]

By their fruits you will know them.

An isolated event does not reveal a pattern and you will not know them as meant in the Bible verse. If I judged, forget his name ... er Spielberg,soley by his Prince of Egypt movie I'd be in big trouble. Plus the movie was inaccurate even by Old Testament standards.

[Domestic Church]

"It has God's "fingerprints" all over it."

I agree and Gibson opened his heart and his wallet and followed the prompting of the Holy Spirit.

[Tantumergo]

"At least I know the SSPX are Catholic. I'll go there before I set foot in the TajMahony."

Ditto. ;)

[onedoug]

"It's a shack!"

[nmh]

Oops only scanned your answer ... .


" ... a faith nurtured by Tradition."

That can be very problematic since alot of "tradition" is at odds with the Bible. There are threads discussing this, as we converse on this website.


What, besides scandals and equivocation, have been the fruits of the Novus Ordo Church?

I honestly couldn't tell you since I've never heard of them before. In fact, I don't want to know. Most likely I will see the movie and see if it aligns with Scripture. That book I KNOW. If it does I will recommend it. It it doesn't I won't.

[Snuffington]

Rather than asking whether Gibson is a Catholic, they ought to be asking whether Mahoney is a Catholic.

Supercalafragilisticexpealidotious bump.

Why is it that a Hollywood actor has the minutae of his orthodoxy placed under a microscope, while we have bishops walking a fine line between Catholicism and "I AM the Church"?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

“You can’t just build your own church,” Johnson says.

What a stupid comment! Of course you can. You just can't make it into a parish willy nilly. I have a couple of wealthy friends who have just gone and "built their own Church" on their property.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Rather than asking whether Gibson is a Catholic, they ought to be asking whether Mahoney is a Catholic.

Many of us across the pond are praying for Cardinal Mahoney's conversion to Catholicism!

[Tantumergo]

"I have a couple of wealthy friends who have just gone and "built their own Church" on their property."

If they are not God-parents of your existing children, produce another child before you fall out with them!!!

;)

[Hermann the Cherusker]

In Gibson's case, the priest can not perform sacraments since he's not in concert with the Holy See.

Are you sure? A traditionalist chapel around here made by fine for years with a retired priest from the diocese coming to say Mass every day.

[Tantumergo]

"Many of us across the pond are praying for Cardinal Mahoney's conversion to Catholicism!"

Believe me I know how you feel! We haven't been so deprived of Catholic bishops in England since the days of Elizabeth I.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

A VERY expensive shack.

[sontaran_army]

The Latin Mass wasn't finalized until 1962???? What about Pope St.Pius V issuing "Quo Primum" in 1570 that codified the Mass. If the Mass wasn't finalized then it wasn't finalized at all.

[Coleus]

A traditionalist chapel around here made by fine for years with a retired priest from the diocese coming to say Mass every day.>>>

If the church is under the auspices of the bishop then it's ok. I know of one where the mass (novus ordo) is celebrated in Latin, the women wear veils and they kneel down for communion but it's ok because the order of priests have permission from the local Ordinary, the bishop; therefore, it comes under the auspices of the Catholic Church. The bishop gave permission for the church to be used for this purpose and gave permission for the priests to celebrate this type of mass.

[RobbyS]

There are parts of the New Testament that are "at odds with " other parts. Luther had a hard time with "James"and with "Matthew" because neither fits snuggly into his "Pauline" theology.

[RobbyS]

The mass I knew growing up was the product of a process begun by Pius X. Or did you think the old "dialogue" mass was something that came from the counterreformation?

[Coleus]

oops, just checked, the Mass is Tridentine and is under the full auspices of the Bishop and RCC. It's up to the local ordinary to decide, in Gibson's church, it's not approved by his bishop; therefore, it's not under the RCC.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

My understanding of schism is this: a priest or society must have the intention of separating themselves from the Pope by denying his authority to command. Essentially, I think that is sedevacantism.

I should restate this. I should have said that sedevacantists recognize the authority of a Pope to command, but they believe the Holy See is vacant for some reason such as heresy therefore there is no authority to obey.