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A Freeper Review of The Passion of Christ
Vanity | 2/21/04 | John Fields

Posted on 02/21/2004 3:50:43 PM PST by jonboy

I'm not sure where to start. I'm a fellow Freeper who also happens to be minister. I was invited today to see a screening of the Passion of the Christ at our local theater. I have been fascinated, and you might even be able to say obsessed with this movie ever since I heard about it a few months ago and first saw the trailer (I cried every time I saw it).

Given that I have watched and listened to several interviews and read several news stories about this movie I was as prepared as I thought I could be to watch it. I HAVE NEVER BEEN THROUGH ANYTHING LIKE THIS MOVIE! I sobbed, I throbbed, my Kleenex became a fairly useless mess that occupied the hand not tightly gripping the seat. IT WAS HARD TO WATCH. The cruelty was overwhelming, but approximated what we have a glimpse from in scripture. The violence and horror of what was done to Him nearly overwhelming, but not gratuitous as some have claimed.

As to the charges of anti-semitism, I can understand how a Jew who does not believe that Jesus is their Messiah would be frightened by this film. However, it was NOT anti-semitic. I could just as easily be moved to be against Italians for what the Romans did as I could be against the Jews. If one were inspired to hate the perpetrators if this event, they would be anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Arab, anti-Japanese, and anti-__________ (fill in your own blanks). I was filled with the grim overwhelming knowledge of my own guilt as much as anything else. As I watched Him writhing in pain, the ribs virtually exposed from the beating that He had taken, as I watched His shoulder ripped out of socket as they stretched his hand to make it to the pre-drilled nail hole, as I watched the blood flowing and the breath ripped from His body from the pain, one thing entered into my mind above all else. I PUT HIM THERE! He could have come down, He could have called in excess of ten-thousand angels. He could have stopped that horrible mockery and evil in its tracks by coming down off of that cross, healing His own wounds, and then saying go to it boys as He releases the angels to take care of business. BUT HE DIDN'T. I am in awe.

I admit that I has moments when I felt like ripping the Jewish and Roman perpetrators apart. How dare they laugh in the face of such agony! How dare they spit on Him! How dare they stand in pompous, arrogant, self-righteous judgment of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (how dare MYSELF go on sinning after what He did for me)! But as the High Priest is walking away from making fun and mocking. He hears Jesus softly say, taking up precious breath, "Father forgive them, they don't know what they are doing." The High Priest pauses in uncomfortable silence, then walks on. Later, after Jesus has died and the earthquake has damaged the temple and they are very aware that they have done something terribly wrong the High Priest is seen crying out and holding his face in grief and horror.

This movie was about love and forgiveness and about our sin and what God and His Son did together about that sin. It is about the horrible things that men do to their fellow men which can still be forgiven if they will but repent. Some of the Jews were depraved and some were compassionate. Some of the Romans were depraved, and some of them were inclined towards compassion. Anti-Jewish? NO WAY! Besides, the early church was exlusively Jewish. The movie is not about Mel Gibson having some kind of point to prove to anyone, let alone the Jews. It was Mel's passion, a labor of love. Will it profit Him? Unbelievably! Did he do it for the money, not a chance.

Were there any liberties taken with the scripture? Maybe a few. Poetic/artistic license was taken to a degree. There were some scenes with Judas that were extra Biblical, but imaginable. Surprisingly, he was shown as a somewhat sympathetic character, which is something I've felt to a degree for him. I doubt that he was a completely depraved man, he just wanted to speed things along so that Jesus would have to rise to the throne and have to take His true place. When he realized he had been horribly mis-lead he admitted guilt but then went out and killed himself. There was a scene in which the unrepentant thief had his eyes pecked out by a crow. I thought that didn't gel well with the theme of forgiveness and should have been left out. It seemed to represent Divine retribution since the thief had just been blaspheming Jesus. But the cross wasn't about retribution, that will come later at Judgment, it was about mercy.

As to this movie being appropriate for children? That's a hard call. I think it would be best if conscientous parents screened it for themselves first. It is hard enough for mature adults to stomach. However, there is something to be said for exposing young tender hearts to the truth of what He did. Maybe knowing what He did at a younger age would lead to more mature Christians later. Again, it's an individual call.

Is this movie Catholic? Yes and no. Those who see the relationship between Jesus and Mary who are Catholic will likely see Mary as divine. Those of us who believe that Mary was a mere woman who was blessed enough to have been chosen to be the mother of the Christ will see the relationship between a mother and her Son. THIS MOVIE IS FOR ALL!!! I can wholeheartedly recommend this movie to others for personal devotion or to touch the hearts of those who are lost. I believe very much that it will be a culturally defining movie and that it will break most IF NOT ALL of the box office records both nationally and world-wide. The Lord will not be silenced. I truly feel He has spoken through this movie. Maybe its His way of saying WAKE UP before He comes again. If it is, this Christian is awake (wiping away tears).


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To: jonboy
I appreciate the honesty of this review. As a Catholic I'll add my two cents worth that no Catholic ever saw Mary as divine. The "Hail Mary" is mostly made up of a collection of biblical texts. The traditional Catholic view is that Mary is willing to intercede for people with her Son, and that He is pleased to grant her wishes as he was at Cana.

As for what I have heard about the movie, it is this: Mary teachers the viewer, who can barely stand watching some parts of it, how to view the Passion. We see it partly through her eyes and with her help. If she can look, so can we.

As I understand it, Satan is another witness of the Passion. He also is an interpreter, but a false interpreter, of what is happening. Mary and Satan are, as it were, proxy witnesses for the theater audience, who help teach us how to view it.

I would add that if you read the collected works of Martin Luther, you will find great honor and respect for Mary throughout. He only denied her the title "Queen of Heaven." It was some later Protestants who feared that Mary would detract from the centrality of Jesus. But she always points us back toward Him.
41 posted on 02/21/2004 4:48:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jonboy
Thank you for this informative and heartfelt review.

My adult daughters and I have talked about how difficult it will be to see the portrayal of such suffering, yet knowing that it does depict reality.

Judging by your account, I can assume it will be as difficult as we imagine. However, I trust that the horror will touch us as it touched you.

All Christians know that the perfect and sinless lamb of God, Jesus, suffered and died for imperfect and sinful us. The visual may be hard to withstand, but the message knows no equal. We should think of it every day and then celebrate the gift of the Resurrection and the life everlasting.

42 posted on 02/21/2004 4:53:06 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: jonboy; deadhead; gatopfs
Those who see the relationship between Jesus and Mary who are Catholic will likely see Mary as divine.

You know it's funny. I just got done explaining this to my son in law who is an Episcopalian from my Catholic pointof view.

We do not see Mary as divine, we see her as the moratl, divinely chosen to bear Jesus Christ and as one of the first true Christians.

Nor do we pray to Mary as one does to the Lord. We merely ask her to pray for us as most freepers do here on a daily basis. Nobody would mistake asking deadhead to pray for them as sacrilege, would they?:-}

Other than that I enjoyed your review.

43 posted on 02/21/2004 4:56:03 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Pharmboy
As a Jew, I trust other Freepers.

ROFL!!! As a fellow Jew, I hear you loud and clear!!

I WAS wanting to see this film. I am a little scared of the violence. Maybe I can get it together to go and see it. I distrust almost all Jews' reviews of this film, though I would trust Rabbi Lapin's or Dennis Prager's or even a fellow Jewish FReeper's review.

I think Mel Gibson was brave and inspired to go through with this project, and I am so glad to see how a truly religious film with conservative values is sucking up box office money over the liberal drivel out there.

44 posted on 02/21/2004 4:59:12 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: pbear8
Thank you. Now I do not have to post about the Catholic understanding of Mary.
45 posted on 02/21/2004 5:00:13 PM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: jonboy
Even if this had turned out to be the most poorly made movie of all time, I would have paid $10,000 and walked bare-foot through glass to see it, just because of Abe Foxman and the others who launched such an ugly and vicious campaign to smear Mel Gibson and traditional Christianity.

Since I won't have to do any of those things and it sounds like a pretty good movie, I will go several times and drag with me as many people as I can.

46 posted on 02/21/2004 5:02:46 PM PST by Knock3Times
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To: steplock
The church Council of Ephesus, circa 600 A.D., taught that Mary was the mother of GOd, and was yet only human, not Divine.
47 posted on 02/21/2004 5:03:14 PM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
My adult daughters and I have talked about how difficult it will be to see the portrayal of such suffering...

This is the second article I've seen written by a pastor, and even with all of the time they have spent talking, living, and breathing the story of Jesus, they have had a difficult time dealing with the feelings the movie has evoked.

I've taken from other threads that many people believe this movie will have conversion value, but it is impossible to know what effect this film will have on people without formal religious training, or even anything other than a distant Sunday school set of ideas about Christianity. It may not have the effect that many here on FR think that it will.

48 posted on 02/21/2004 5:04:04 PM PST by hunter112
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To: Yaelle
I love you, man.
49 posted on 02/21/2004 5:05:04 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Pharmboy
Judaism is the parent religion of Christianity. The Commandments stipulate that we must respect our parents.

God bless and protect you.

50 posted on 02/21/2004 5:05:16 PM PST by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: Pharmboy
Or woman. LOL.
51 posted on 02/21/2004 5:05:45 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: jonboy
Thank you for your review. Does this movie show the resurrection also? I understand that it is just the last 12 hours of Christ's life but I am wondering how it will affect those who do not know 'the story' and leave feeling that the death of Christ is the end.
52 posted on 02/21/2004 5:07:52 PM PST by BlessedAmerican (Pray for our President and those who are fighting to preserve our freedom!)
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To: LS
I see your point, but even in the Garden, He was able to pray to the Father.

On the cross He cried, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me."

That, to me was the ultimate sacrifice. To be forsaken of the Father, for me, so that I would not have to be forsaken.

53 posted on 02/21/2004 5:08:12 PM PST by dawn53
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To: steplock
if you believe that Jesus Christ was truly the Son of GOD, how could NOT Mary be more than a "mere woman" ???

When God came to walk among His people, he chose not to come as a mighty king, but a humble servant. He chose Mary because she was faithful and had all the qualities He wanted to project to men.

You should be thankful that most people see Mary as a 'mere woman'. It gives us all hope that we too can be useful in God's will.

54 posted on 02/21/2004 5:08:29 PM PST by Krodg ("My faith frees me"...G.W. Bush........'A Charge To Keep')
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To: Yaelle
LOL!! I am all man and can love you even more!
55 posted on 02/21/2004 5:08:48 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: LisaMalia
Channel 3. Well, for me, anyway.
56 posted on 02/21/2004 5:09:12 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: BlessedAmerican
The word I have gotten is that the final scene of the movie is of the empty tomb. I do not know that as fact, but everything I have heard and read says that the Resurrection is what the viewer is left to contemplate.
57 posted on 02/21/2004 5:10:00 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: jwalsh07
OK, since you explained the Mary part so nicely, so that even I could understand, I herewith dare to ask a question that may seem silly to Christians but I truly would like to understand.

What does it mean that Jesus died for people's sins? Because people sinned, he died, or so that people would not sin? Or something entirely different? Thanks for not flaming me but simply explaining.

58 posted on 02/21/2004 5:10:17 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: jonboy
I'm planning to see the Passion. What I'm looking forward to is hearing what Aramaic sounds like. From my point of view, the story of Jesus is part of the story of the struggle against the Roman Empire. There were many Jews who opposed the Romans and their puppet king Herod. This eventually broke out into open revolt more than once and the Romans lost several entire legions in Judea. Many of my fellow Jews are concerned about the Passion instigating anti-Jewish feelings. I'm not worried about that here, in the US. As for elsewhere, time will tell (the arabs already hate us - so, big deal). But I understand their concern. In a way, Jesus' life can be viewed as a snapshot of Jewish history.
59 posted on 02/21/2004 5:11:14 PM PST by captain_dave
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To: TheGeezer
Thank you. Love and blessings to you and yours...
60 posted on 02/21/2004 5:11:41 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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