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To: sinkspur
[ Well, John Paul II and many others disagree with you ]

Indeed. But it is my contention that, should some one of these "many" attempt to harmonize this modern speculation with the unanimous views of the Fathers, Doctors, Popes and Councils that have preceded him, he would be unable to do so. At least Hans urs Von Balthasar was unable to do so in his book "Dare We Hope...."

[ Harmful? That we pray there are no souls in hell? Doen't the Church pray that all men be saved? If we're sure that some men are certainly going to perish, then shouldn't we pray for the salvation of "some" souls, rather than "every" soul? ]

The Church does not pray that there are no souls in hell. She prays for the salvation of every individual soul, since each man has the potential to be saved and God desires none to perish. This does not overturn the fact that some will not be saved, as Scripture and Tradition attest.

I outlined a number of harmful practical results of creeping universalism in my article. There are others, but those are sufficient to make this line of speculation imprudent, to say the least.

[ I'm sure you're one of those who also believes that unbaptized infants with absolute dogmatic certainty will never see God. How do you have such certainty? Because Gregory of Nazianzen says so? ]

"I'm sure you're one of those.....How do you have such certainty?" Hmmmm. From whence do you get this certainty about my views?

Another question in return is how you can assert that there is uncertainty with regard to human souls in Hell in the face of the unanimous and repeated witness of 1900 years of Fathers, Doctors, Popes and Councils. Can you cite even one magisterial or traditional source prior to, say, 1960 that supports the modern speculation? I'm not saying one doesn't exist, but I have yet to see it. If not, on what Catholic principle is a question or "hope" inserted where the unanimous Catholic Tradition finds no place for one?
123 posted on 04/06/2004 10:57:01 AM PDT by DPalm
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To: DPalm
Thank you so much for your article! I tend not to be the brightest starfish in the sea and had to print it out to digest it over a few days, but WOW it was great!

Lots of good discussion here as well!
126 posted on 04/06/2004 11:18:33 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Busybody of Free Republic)
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To: DPalm
Excellent article and follow up. Bravo.
130 posted on 04/06/2004 12:18:41 PM PDT by m4629
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