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[ClearCase_guy]

The Left does not compromise. The Left does not care what you think or what you want. The Left will push for its agenda -- 100% of its agenda. And the Left will scream and cry and call you names if you indicate that you wish to retain even 1% of your own agenda.

And the key agenda of the Left is the destruction of Christianity.

[sionnsar]

[ Captain Yip's Secret Journal (say what??), in The Kitchen Sink: --sionnsar]

Commentor Scott in response to this post asks,

I wonder why y'all aren't frequenting the Anglo-Catholic parishes that remain in the diocese, such as Ascension, Atonement, St. Luke's?  Merely because they remain in Communion?  Or what?  What's your opinion of such parishes?

And that is a terrifically good question that's full of loose ends that need to get tied up.  That won't get done today.  Family situations have kept me on the road and away from The Church of Christ the King for the last month.  Nor will I comment on the parishes Scott cites-and I would add, St. Paul's by the Lake-save that I was for many years a member of one of those parishes.  And to say that there's more to the Anglo-Catholic way of being a Christian than ceremoniousness.

The more interesting feature of Scott's comment is how it illustrates the conflict in Episcopal polity.  Is the fundamental structure in Episcopal polity the parish or the diocese?  If your parish follows a traditional form of Anglican theology and practice, but your bishop is a resolute innovator, what is the impact of the bishop on you personally and upon your parish community?  If the bishop is chief pastor, chief teacher, of your diocese, what relationship can you have with that pastor and teacher if he voted against the harmless House of Bishops resolution B001 (which merely affirmed the validity of traditional Christian documents), but voted for Mr. Robinson's consecration (against the advice of the Archbishop of Canterbury), and for the same-sex marriage resolution?  What pastoral relationship can you have with a bishop who is in terms of the wider Anglican Communion, and indeed in terms of Christianity world wide, schismatic?  I don't have an answer to this.  It's a vital question because the Church isn't just a place where like minded folks sit around, but a place where we enter a relationship with God.  If our teachers mislead us, it's about the same as having someone tell newlyweds that affairs are just fine, or mentors telling new hires that insulting the boss and stealing the supplies are good business manners.  So when the leadership of ECUSA decides to go where no bish has gone before, the sheep have problems. 

[Dems_R_Losers]

Boy oh boy, I could have written that article verbatim. I have not yet quit the church, but I am really really close. My husband, who is a liberal with a brother who is a practicing homosexual (and yet still hypcritically calls himself a Catholic!) completely disagrees with me about this. I told him I am sick of the "homoization" of America and if I can't even find refuge from it in my church, what am I to do?

Last Sunday the bishop of Pennsylvania came to our church, and I refused to even greet him. He has had very harsh words for people like me who are opposed to the homoization of our church.

[ScottM1968]

God does not condone either a hetero- or homosexual relationship outside of marriage.

God does not condone marriage between homosexuals nor an active homosexual relationship (tendencies, as with all temptations, must be curbed by all but are not inherently sinful).

Appointing an active homosexual who relishes his sexual practices (and even holding them up to God) is heresy and definitely not based in Christianity.

[polymuser]

My family left the ELCA, a kissing and bishop-sharing cousin of the ECUSA, for a number of reasons, inlcuding ordaining gay pastors, blessing gay unions, Called to Common Mission (unity), Formula of Agreement (unity), abortion on demand for employees (though public statement opposes), and other things. I'm waiting for the results of their 'Journey Together Faithfully' excercise, due out mid-January. Don't expect anything new, just a continuation of "we don't have a position, but, hey, do it if you want to."

As for the left's agenda, a key is The Frankfurt School from the late 1930's. That's where sensitivity training and concensus building were birthed, along with using public schools to indoctrinate youth.

[sionnsar]

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