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To: RnMomof7
In order to obey God, that is to repent and believe one must have their eyes opened and have a new heart .. then a man hears the gospel and comes to repent and believe in obedience to the gospel .. One can not obey an order he does not have ears to hear
At what point does God give you his holy spirit?

Hint.. In the OT the Holy Spirit was on them not in them for special purposes ( with one exception)
So a work of the spirit on some one is different then indwelling ....

So the spirit of God works with someone to bring them to repentence and IF they obey God then he gives them his holy spirit to indwell in them? That's the way I read it. Is that the way you read it?

110 posted on 04/03/2005 6:34:47 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Without a work of the Holy Spirit a man would not choose to obey God.


It is the Holy Spirit that leads a man to the truth and that convicts us of our sin.. A man will not choose to obey the gospel and repent and believe without the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Cr 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


Repentnce is a gift of God .... seeking it with tears as did Esau or Judas who tied to repent and could not find it.

Hbr 12:16 Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Hbr 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What [is that] to us? see thou [to that]. Mat 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.


2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

No man can obey this command with out the Father drawing Him


Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


All other obedience is a work of man and not grace. It damns not saves

Have you formulated an answer for St. Peter at the golden gates yet?

Why should god grant you eternal life with Him ?


112 posted on 04/03/2005 7:24:25 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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