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To: Ambrose II
Infallible Dogamatic Teaching of Vatican 1

Chapter 2. On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs

That which our lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time [45] . For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood [46] .

Therefore whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church. So what the truth has ordained stands firm, and blessed Peter perseveres in the rock-like strength he was granted, and does not abandon that guidance of the church which he once received

* Libertrads are, in a word, protestants.

18 posted on 05/02/2005 3:06:08 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Libertrads. Following the anathematized to perdition.)
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To: bornacatholic
I was always told that two things were needed for it to be infallible. (if this is wrong, please correct me.) One, it had to be stated so. Two, it had to be consistent with the teaching of the Church.

You also absolutely blew off everything I said in my post.
20 posted on 05/02/2005 3:52:49 PM PDT by Ambrose II (We cannot bend the Truth to our will, we must bend our will to the Truth.)
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To: bornacatholic
* Libertrads are, in a word, protestants.

Libertrads are, in a word, a figment of your limited imagination.

21 posted on 05/02/2005 4:32:33 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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