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To: k2blader; P-Marlowe
Maybe you could try helping him, rather than complaining on the internet to complete strangers?

Some pastors are great at teaching, but not at evangelism. Others have a heart for visitation, but are so-so preachers. I'm sure you have some particular talent you could help with, rather than sitting on your hands bemoaning about how bad of a pastor he is.

You have no place to complain if you are not actively involved in the ministry yourself. The Biblical model of leadership, while instituting particular leaders of the congregation, anticipates an active involved laity that is no less in the ministry than the pastor.

18 posted on 05/03/2005 7:20:07 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: jude24
"Some pastors are great at teaching, but not at evangelism."

The pastors sole job is not evangelism but to equip the saints for those roles.So many failing churches today blame the pastor for their failings but if the saints would get off of their pews and do what they are called to do the church would not be failing.

I agree with all of your post.

We try to say what is a successful or not a successful church buy growth or programs. I say that a successful church is a Faithful church.

The pastor should have the final say on what happens in the local body of believers because he is ultimately responsible. At the same time the pastor needs to be sensitive to the congregation and not be a total authoritarian.

I would not want to walk in my pastors shoes but I do pray for him on a daily basis.

48 posted on 05/04/2005 9:27:35 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Salvation is not a prayer and an experience its a life changing event <><)
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To: jude24; k2blader
Maybe you could try helping him, rather than complaining on the internet to complete strangers?

Does it make you feel better to degrade other Christians? You have no idea what he is or is not doing to help his Pastor out.

51 posted on 05/04/2005 9:51:32 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: jude24

Not sure where that came from. But yes, it goes without saying our church is trying to deal with it biblically.

Thank you for your concern..


82 posted on 05/05/2005 4:00:39 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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