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To: Knitting A Conundrum

My friend said that his church also teaches that you HAVE to participate in the Lord's Supper too. Which I do believe it is an ordinance. But they believe that it HAS to take place on Sunday of every week.

Also they believe that they can fall away from faith and that they are the only church that worships correctly. As my friend once said that it is better to do things correctly than with sincerity.

From my limited undersatdning of the history, Barton Stone desire that there would be unity among Christians. His intent was that creeds would not damage the relationships between believers. He spoke later in his life that he was concerned about the extreme measure that the movement has taken on since it became exclusive.

How do we find a common point of discussion in striving for unity when they believe they are the only true church?


18 posted on 05/28/2005 1:30:32 PM PDT by jer33 3
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To: jer33 3

There is a joke:

A person died and went to heaven. When he got there, he was being shown around the place when he and his guide passed by a high walled enclosure.

The person asked about it and was told "Shh...that's where the church of Christ people are...they think they're the only ones there."

You will have trouble convincing someone on doctrinal grounds who is happy with their church about the right or wrong of their doctrine (and this is true about anyone who is happy in their church.)

You have a couple of choices:

Churches of Christ (outside of the ICC) aren't a mind control cult, just conservative, although a lot of them believe the exclusive bit. They believe that Jesus is the Savior. They treat baptism and the Lord's Supper like sacraments, not ordinances, but don't call them that...they are baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and take bible study serious. They, for the most part, believe in the Trinity.

Because of this, you can agree to disagree and just chalk them up for being kookie, but Christian.

or you can wait until they are unhappy and searching. Show them how to be better fed somewhere else and they may go.

For me it was church history that started me disagreeing with the Restoration concept. And that led me out.


23 posted on 05/28/2005 1:44:28 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jer33 3
How do we find a common point of discussion in striving for unity when they believe they are the only true church

Through love.

Look - over the years and in discussions with Christians as they state why they believe what they believe, this is what has been remembered - "they are the only true church, they believe you have to be baptised, they do not believe in instrumental music".

If you base the tenets of your church on the Bible's instructions for the Church - of course, you will believe that is the true church. Why not?

Should man look to other men to see what is to believed or should man look to God and His Bible to see what God wants?

I feel it is far wiser and safe to look to God - not man. We are told do not add to or take from the Bible.

Now, how many men love to add to or take from the Bible in order to set up the creeds they like and develop them into a full blown church? Are you willing to base your salvation on what a man tells you is right - even though it is not found in the Bible?

All the Church of Christ is doing is going to the Bible to set up their churches. When they are asked why they do not have instrumental music (a small matter IMPO), they, of course, say "because we were not specifically told to do so in the Bible". Now why is this so weird? I can find much more weirdness just by looking at TV everyday.

We do not say all who are not Church of Christ are not saved - if they follow the instructions for salvation they find in the Bible. All they have to do is believe in Jesus and accept Him as their Savior, repent of their sins and be baptised for the remission of those sins. It is very simple and is merely what God told us to do in order to be saved.

We cannot tell any they are saved by other means because we have no authority to base that decision on. How would we be able to determine what God will accept as the way to get salvation unless God, Himself, told us. That is what He has done with the Bible - told us.

It is up to God to decide if He will accept other ways of getting salvation - not members of the Church of Christ or any church for that matter. We only state what the Bible says to do - we know that works.

55 posted on 05/29/2005 11:19:58 AM PDT by ClancyJ (McCain: "As far as the criticism is concerned, none of us care about public opinion.")
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To: jer33 3
...desire that there would be unity among Christians...

Wasn't this also Christ's desire?

...they believe that they can fall away from faith

This is explained in Heb. 12: v 15

...and that they are the only church that worships correctly. As my friend once said that it is better to do things correctly than with sincerity...

Christ himself said, "Upon this rock I will build my Church"

Notice that he did not say Churches, some will argue that if one wants to be so picky we should all meet in one building then. No, a building is irrelavent to God. What is relavent is the purity in our hearts and minds.

Is the name of the building his children gather in relavent?

Probably. But I doubt it is to the extent that we as humans make it out to be. Unless we put OUR chosen name before that of Christ's.

After all Christ did say that he was the head of the Church. If you are the head of the household, do you call it the Jones' residence if your name is Rice?

So to keep it simple, those in the CoC call it Christ's Church, or the Church of Christ.

How do we find a common point of discussion in striving for unity when they believe they are the only true church?

Hmmm, a good question.

??But no one should "believe" only they are truthful in thier worship??

Then why do you worship the way you do?
Where do you gather your guidelines for worship?

...when they believe they are the only true church...

Well, I find it hard to believe that you read the Bible and find alternative ways of worship. Christ said plainly, "upon this rock I will build my Church." Not churches, there is only one Holy Bible, although there may be different interpretations of some of the scriptures, just as there were when the apostles were sent to instruct, and correct, the early Churches mentioned in the Bible, there is a true and Holy way to worship God. The instructions are set forth in the New Testament.

I feel that the Church of Christ has the closest set of instructions that can be found on the planet that do not contradict the scriptures, although I do not in any way claim to be perfect.

Nor do I stand in judgement of anyone else. That is best left up to God, I have enough trouble keeping myself in line.

The Bible does say though:
That we must always strive for perfection. And to always stand on the ready for reproof and correction.

I guess, if we could just get over our own human egos we could someday find the truth and prop up the Bible instead of trying to prop up our own ideas of what we think it should be, or what draws the biggest crowd, or who can build the prettiest building.

Peace be with you all.
285 posted on 06/01/2005 4:51:42 PM PDT by BedRock ("A country that doesn't enforce it's laws will live in chaos, & will cease to exist.")
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