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To: PetroniusMaximus
Therefore the new birth must not come through baptism, but through the gospel.

As I have stated before, I can not possibly disagree that the salvation comes through the gospel. But we must look at all that Paul has written (as I believe all of his epistles to be inspired). This is the same Paul - I'm certain that it's the same person this time :) - who stated:

Galatians 3:26  For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27  For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

I want to put on Christ and Paul says that is done via baptism. Kind of hard to imagine that Paul could be explaining that some are christians through their faith, but that they don't need to put on Christ. Which is the conclusion from this statement if we presume that baptism isn't necessary.

549 posted on 06/10/2005 10:38:42 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse (Former Embryo - Former Fetus - Recovering Sinner)
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To: asformeandformyhouse

We put on Christ or are placed into Chirst through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.


550 posted on 06/10/2005 10:41:33 AM PDT by jer33 3
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To: asformeandformyhouse

***As I have stated before, I can not possibly disagree that the salvation comes through the gospel. ***

We agree.


***I want to put on Christ and Paul says that is done via baptism***

What do you you make of this verse?

Romans 13
13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no plans to satisfy the fleshly desires.

He isn't speaking to unconverted people here.




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Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament

Were baptized into Christ (eiß Criston ebaptisqhte). First aorist passive indicative of baptizw. Better, "were baptized unto Christ" in reference to Christ. Did put on Christ (Criston enedusasqe). First aorist middle indicative of enduw (-nw). As a badge or uniform of service like that of the soldier. This verb is common in the sense of putting on garments (literally and metaphorically as here). See further in Paul (Romans 13:14; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:22-24; Ephesians 6:11,14). In 1 Thessalonians 5:8 Paul speaks of "putting on the breastplate of righteousness." He does not here mean that one enters into Christ and so is saved by means of baptism after the teaching of the mystery religions, but just the opposite. We are justified by faith in Christ, not by circumcision or by baptism. But baptism was the public profession and pledge, the soldier's sacramentum, oath of fealty to Christ, taking one's stand with Christ, the symbolic picture of the change wrought by faith already (Romans 6:4-6).


554 posted on 06/10/2005 10:55:15 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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