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To: gbcdoj
Regards GBCDOJ...per your previous post...

Accordingly, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, for the honor of the Holy and undivided Trinity, for the glory and adornment of the Virgin Mother of God, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith, and for the furtherance of the Catholic religion, by the authority of Jesus Christ our Lord, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own: We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful. Hence, if anyone shall dare -- which God forbid! -- to think otherwise than as has been defined by us, let him know and understand that he is condemned by his own judgment; that he has suffered shipwreck in the faith; that he has separated from the unity of the Church; and that, furthermore, by his own action he incurs the penalties established by law if he should dare to express in words or writing or by any other outward means the errors he thinks in his heart.

Are you honestly telling the rest of us non Catholics out here that if we don't believe that Mary was not free from original sin we are CONDEMNED? Wow. Reread John 3:16, perhaps then the truth shall set you free.


Again from your post...

Also, if truly penitent people die in the love of God before THEY HAVE MADE SATISFACTION for acts and omissions by worthy fruits of repentance, their souls are cleansed after death by cleansing pains; and the suffrages of the living faithful avail them in giving relief from such pains, that is, sacrifices of masses, prayers, almsgiving and other acts of devotion which have been customarily performed by some of the faithful for others of the faithful in accordance with the church's ordinances. Please reference Romans, chapters 3, 4 and 5. The inspired Holy Word so clearly and eloquently shows us the we are justified fully by Christ's death on the cross and his resurrection...Our sins were forgiven by this unfathomable and most selfless sacrifice by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. May the Lord be glorified for eternity for His most awesome gifts of undeserved forgiveness and undeserved life with Him through faith in Christ Jesus May the Lord bless you and keep you, may the Lord make His face shine upon, may the Lord grant you His favor and give you peace.

in Christ...
16 posted on 05/29/2005 1:16:06 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 3:16...it's not just words on a sign held in the end zone anymore...)
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To: phatus maximus
Are you honestly telling the rest of us non Catholics out here that if we don't believe that Mary was not free from original sin we are CONDEMNED?

Pope Bl. Pius IX, Apostolic Constitution Ineffabilis Deus, December 8, 1854. That is the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Reread John 3:16, perhaps then the truth shall set you free.

For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.

I'm missing the whole "the Blessed Virgin was not redeemed and cleansed from original sin by Christ" bit here. Is that an addition in the Protestant Bible?

Please reference Romans, chapters 3, 4 and 5.

Nothing contradictory to Florence in there. Please reference Daniel 4:24: "Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable to thee, and redeem thou thy sins with alms, and thy iniquities with works of mercy to the poor: perhaps he will forgive thy offences" and Tobit 4:11-12: "For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness. Alms shall be a great confidence before the most high God, to all them that give it".

44 posted on 05/29/2005 6:14:20 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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To: phatus maximus
Are you honestly telling the rest of us non Catholics out here that if we don't believe that Mary was not free from original sin we are CONDEMNED?

Well, you might get to Heaven, but it would only be through the infinite mercy of Christ, and in spite of your disbelief.
81 posted on 05/30/2005 8:56:49 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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