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To: P-Marlowe
but as a pastor of a church that I don't go to, Joel is not accountable to me, he is accountable to God and to those to whom he has been called to lead.

Well, since he has such a national following, we have every right... actually a responsibility... to examine his teaching and offer refutations.

Everyone seems to paint horns and a tail on Joel, but I suspect he is sincere and I have no reason to doubt his salvation.

Sincerity is not an excuse however. Like I said, time will tell. The initial note is promising. If he continues in the direction that note sets, I will 'rejoice and be glad' -- but for now I just have hope that he will do that, until he proves me wrong.

33 posted on 07/01/2005 11:37:58 AM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Terriergal
Well, since he has such a national following, we have every right... actually a responsibility... to examine his teaching and offer refutations.

So refute his teachings if they are in error. Offer sound doctrine. But don't tear him down for the sole purpose of watching him fall. It seems to me that the biggest complaint most people have is not that his doctrine is wrong, but that it is supposedly "incomplete" or that his emphasis is different than you would preach. It's not the "whole" gospel. Whatever. What percentage of churches in the world preach the whole gospel? I'm sure Osteen's church teaches more gospel than you will find in many of the traditional churches.

Do you spend this much time attacking the perverters of the gospel that have turned over their pulpits to homosexuals and atheists? Why this obsession with Joel Osteen and Rick Warren? At least these guys are pointing their flocks in the right direction. Many of the traditional Churches are leading their flocks directly on the path to destruction. Where is your outrage there?

34 posted on 07/01/2005 11:52:06 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.)
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