Posted on 07/18/2005 11:33:59 AM PDT by zzen01
If I can add musical instruments to worship, can I also add coca-cola or peanut butter sandwiches to the Lord's Supper? If not, then why not?
You are confusing something that is an expediency with something that is an addition.
Who decides what is an expediency and what is an addition ?
I say that, under the 'law of liberty', you cannot decide for me (and I cannot decide for you) ... what is expedient.
You have admitted no scripture for their inclusion and yet site the 'Law of Liberty'. So are you saying that instruments are lawful but not edifying?
If I can add musical instruments to worship, can I also add coca-cola or peanut butter sandwiches to the Lord's Supper? If not, then why not?1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.In the typical circumstance, ... I would not consider such (peanut-butter sandwiches and coca-cola) to be expedient and edifying.
However, if I were somewhere where all that they had was peanut butter sandwiches and coca-cola, I would use it.
Recall that the heart of the gospel is 'love' (per 1 Corinthians 13) ...
... and that the fruit of the Spirit is ... love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance (Galatians 5:22-23).
These are what we are called to in Christ.
As such ... under the 'law of liberty' ... it matters not whether I use instruments in my worship or not, ... what matters is that I practice love ... for God ... and for my brother.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
You have admitted no scripture for their inclusion and yet site the 'Law of Liberty'. So are you saying that instruments are lawful but not edifying?
... and you have admitted no scripture specifying their exclusion.
The New Testament is silent on the issue.
Under the 'law of liberty', I am saying that the use of instruments in worship is lawful for me ... and that, while their use may be edifying for me, ... it is not necessarily the same for you.
We are each free to worship in the way which is most edifying to us.
So because someone likes carpentry they should be able to build a table and consider that an act of collective public worship? It is the collective worship that we are talking about here.
Finally. I've only ever had two others admit as much in these discussions (Now that I think about it, one may have been you on another thread - I'll have to check). Much of the running around on these discussions is due people not admitting the obvious. The question still remains: 'Does silence authorize?'.
I just caught the end of that post.
Does silence authorize?
How about
Does silence prohibit?
We are each free to worship in the way which is most edifying to us.
So because someone likes carpentry they should be able to build a table and consider that an act of collective public worship? It is the collective worship that we are talking about here.
As christians, ... we are to be led by the Holy Spirit in such considerations.
The Spirit can be trusted to lead us rightly.John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
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Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
The question still remains: 'Does silence authorize?'.
Where the scriptures are silent ... we are to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
We are so efficient here at Fr.
We've created 3 threads in 1.
I disagree. I find it's always best to work from the positive to reach logical conclusions.
But we must be first certain which spirit we are following.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
God doesn't want confusion on doctrinal issues. The Holy Spirit revealed the Word. Following it and it alone will remove confusion.
Yup.
I figger they came down in the sheet, too.
I'm NOT ok with having 'the
lord's Supper' more than once a year though!
I really don't understand why you find this discussion humorous, but oh well.
It's the TarBaby syndrome!
;^)
Where the scriptures are silent ... we are to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
But we must be first certain which spirit we are following.1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.God doesn't want confusion on doctrinal issues. The Holy Spirit revealed the Word. Following it and it alone will remove confusion.
Then we shall follow this word ... shall you ?1 Timothy 4:4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,Thanks, Elsie
5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6 If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
becuase when some dudes named wallcrawlr, elsie and nkl1122 are staring at keyboards and comp screens all day discussing Jesus you have to smile sometimes.
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