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To: topcat54
"God in His providence is merciful at times, and at times brings bitterness upon those who dwell in the earth."

Absolute HOGWASH! Lurkers, God is always GOOD! We bring the nonsense upon ourselves, reaping that we have sowed.

"Don't confuse ordinary divine providence with miracles."

The only confusion is what that means to any readers.

EXPECT MIRACLES...THEN EXPECT BIGGER MIRACLES--praising and thanking God every step of the way :>)

5 posted on 08/03/2005 2:45:05 PM PDT by Ff--150 (The Blessing of the LORD Maketh RICH--no sorrow added to it)
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To: Ff--150; topcat54; suzyjaruki; HarleyD; Gamecock
reaping that we have sowed.

That, my FRiend, is karma, and that ain't Christian.

If we reaped what we sow, we'd all be in hell all the time.

But Christians are saved by God's grace alone.

It's a gift of mercy.

Thank you, God, for sparing the lives of 309 people yesterday, for bringing a new baby into this world, and for fixing the shuttle.

As God wills.

8 posted on 08/03/2005 3:34:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Ff--150; Gamecock; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; suzyjaruki
Absolute HOGWASH! Lurkers, God is always GOOD!

Indeed, God is good. But that does not change the fact that He causes "ill" to come upon the children of men according to His good pleasure.

Who is he who speaks and it comes to pass, When the Lord has not commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That woe and well-being proceed? Why should a living man complain, A man for the punishment of his sins? Let us search out and examine our ways, And turn back to the Lord; 41 Let us lift our hearts and hands To God in heaven. (Lam. 3:37-40)
My point is that simply labeling something a "miracle" does not make it true.

Everything passes for a "miracle" today, from having two socks that match at the end of the week to the Red Sox winning the World Series. These are mere sentimental "miracles". Accounts of true miracles are found in the Bible for comparison.

14 posted on 08/03/2005 8:33:58 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: Ff--150

***EXPECT MIRACLES...THEN EXPECT BIGGER MIRACLES--praising and thanking God every step of the way :>)***

Define miracle and contrast that with your definition of God's supernatural intervention.


17 posted on 08/04/2005 7:04:43 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them on a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: Ff--150
We bring the nonsense upon ourselves, reaping that we have sowed.

Yes, sin has consequences. Sometimes here on earth as He allows, but not always in accordance to our sins. This is an old heresy that Job battled with his "friends" and Jesus addressed in Luke 13:

1 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

The fact that sometimes we reap what we sow and not at other times, or maybe I do but not the guy next to me is in His providence. But the final consequence of sin will be on Judgment day - unless one is saved by His grace - where the judgment fell on Him. The true miracle is that we CAN have forgiveness for any of our sins upon repentance because He took our punishments upon Himself. That is the true miracle.

Don't mistake His providence for true miracles. What about all those times the tower did NOT fall in Siloam?

22 posted on 08/04/2005 11:03:11 AM PDT by lupie
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To: Ff--150
We bring the nonsense upon ourselves, reaping that we have sowed.

Yes, sin has consequences. Sometimes here on earth as He allows, but not always in accordance to our sins. This is an old heresy that Job battled with his "friends" and Jesus addressed in Luke 13:

1 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

The fact that sometimes we reap what we sow and not at other times, or maybe I do but not the guy next to me is in His providence. But the final consequence of sin will be on Judgment day - unless one is saved by His grace - where the judgment fell on Him. The true miracle is that we CAN have forgiveness for any of our sins upon repentance because He took our punishments upon Himself. That is the true miracle.

Don't mistake His providence for true miracles. What about all those times the tower did NOT fall in Siloam?

23 posted on 08/04/2005 11:03:31 AM PDT by lupie
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To: Ff--150

"I bring rain on the just and unjust."

God doesn't bring the sunshine only.


25 posted on 08/04/2005 11:46:30 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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