Posted on 08/11/2005 2:40:08 AM PDT by Navydog
Absolutely not!
The formula for baptism is not the important thing. Whether one is baptized in the name(authority) of Jesus, or in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, doesn't matter, unless you are non-trinitarian.
The formula of baptizing in the name of Jesus does not negate the clear teaching of Scripture of the Three Eternal Persons of the Godhead.
Constantine didn't write anything into the Scripture.
I guess I'll just have to trust the Holy Spirit on this one.
From the site: These are the people “who keep the (Ten) commandments of God AND have the testimony of Jesus [the] Christ. (Rev.12:17)
'Ten' was added in front of commandments in Rev 12:17.
Did he write it in Jacobean English? After all, some historians believe his mom was British!
11 [18] All power . . . me: the Greek word here translated power is the same as that found in the LXX translation of Daniel 7:13-14 where one "like a son of man" is given power and an everlasting kingdom by God. The risen Jesus here claims universal power, i.e., in heaven and on earth.
12 [19] Therefore: since universal power belongs to the risen Jesus (Matthew 28:18), he gives the eleven a mission that is universal. They are to make disciples of all nations. While all nations is understood by some scholars as referring only to all Gentiles, it is probable that it included the Jews as well. Baptizing them: baptism is the means of entrance into the community of the risen one, the Church. In the name of the Father . . . holy Spirit: this is perhaps the clearest expression in the New Testament of trinitarian belief. It may have been the baptismal formula of Matthew's church, but primarily it designates the effect of baptism, the union of the one baptized with the Father, Son, and holy Spirit.
13 [20] All that I have commanded you: the moral teaching found in this gospel, preeminently that of the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7). The commandments of Jesus are the standard of Christian conduct, not the Mosaic law as such, even though some of the Mosaic commandments have now been invested with the authority of Jesus. Behold, I am with you always: the promise of Jesus' real though invisible presence echoes the name Emmanuel given to him in the infancy narrative; see the note on Matthew 1:23. End of the age: see the notes on Matthew 13:39 and Matthew 24:3.
Interesting catch about an author who is complaining about adding text.
Thanks. Just like liberals: Let them talk long enough and they'll eventually show you their 'real' character.
No evidence?????
St. John: "I and the Father are one." (St. John 10.30)
St. John: "And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever: The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him. But you shall know him; because he shall abide with you and shall be in you." (St. John 14.16-17)
St. John: "But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you." (St. John 14.26)
St. John: "But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father". (St. John 15.26)
St. Paul: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the charity of God and the communication of the Holy Ghost be with you all. Amen." (2 Cor. 13.13)
St. Paul: "Looking for the blessed hope and coming of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." (St. Titus 2.13)
St. Paul: "But when the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared: Not by the works of justice which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us, by the laver of regeneration and renovation of the Holy Ghost. Whom he hath poured forth upon us abundantly, through Jesus Christ our Saviour." (St. Titus 3.4-6)
St. Peter: "According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, unto the sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. Grace unto you and peace be multiplied." (1 St. Peter 1.2)
The Greek manuscripts of the text of the New Testament were often altered by the scribes, who put into them the readings which were familiar to them, and which they held to be the right readings.
The Aramaic manuscripts are even more clear than the Greek, explicitly using Trinitarian terms such as Q'nomah to describe God that would later be enshrined in their Greek translations by Nicaea.
The Aramaic manuscripts are even more clear than the Greek, explicitly using Trinitarian terms such as Q'nomah to describe God that would later be enshrined in their Greek translations by Nicaea.
What Aramaic manuscripts? Hypothetical Aramaic originals from which the Greek NT was translated?
In case anyone actually wants to know the truth... gey a copy of Jurgens, FAITH OF THE EARLY FATHERS, vol. 1, look on page 410, in the scriptural index, and you'll see that there are at least five references to Matthe 28:19 from before Constantine's birth. I don't know how Constantine could have put it in the bible if it was already there before he was born. Besides, as every Church historian knows, Constantine was a supported of the Arian party and not the orthodox Catholics!
I always wanted those books. Maybe I'll get them for myself as a reward when I get the garage cleaned.
John 17:
[11] And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
[22] The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
Is "one" qualified in any way?
St. John: "I and the Father are one." (St. John 10.30)
Cherrypicking?John 17:Is "one" qualified in any way?
[11] And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
[22] The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
Reg ... with all due consideration, ... if you parse these verses correctly, ... they do not speak of any oneness between God and the disciples, ...
... but, rather that the disciples would be one (i.e. have a unity), ... in the like manner (i.e. even as ...) ... as do the Father and Jesus.
BTW ... haven't spoken to you in some time.
I pray that you are doing well.
The Aramaic manuscripts used by the Aramaic speaking Christians of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Persia, and India. The Aramaic manuscripts used by Maronite Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, Syro-Malabar Catholics, Syraic Catholics, Syraic Orthodox, Syro-Malankara Catholics, Assyrian Catholic Church of the East. Aramaic manuscripts which Tatian used to create the Aramaic Diatessarion in the 2nd century AD. Aramaic manuscripts which record the sayings of Jesus in the language he actually spoke rather than the one he didn't, which thus don't include transliterations (e.g., St. John 1.42) or translations (St. Matthew 27.46, St. Mark 7.37) of Aramaicisms or Aramaic retained in the Greek.
See interlinear manuscript here:
http://www.peshitta.org
Notice the use of "Your Bible" by the author.
He obviously does not consider the New Testament his Bible, and can, therefore, trash it.
Beware of false messengers!
Tax-chick,
I've had the Jurgens books for about ten years now and use them all th etime for apologetics. Also worthwhile is Willis' THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH FATHERS, recently reprinted by Ignatius which has a lot of useful stuff crammed into one near 500 page volume. There is also Bercot's A DICTIONARY OF EARLY CHRISTIAN BELIEFS (700 pages of double cols. worth of info). Beware of Bercot, however, he has a tendency to ignore some evidence that goes against his own beliefs.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Good book, with lots of references. You are right that it is good to double check things on occasion. I don't think Bercot purposely did it, but he does have some blind spots.
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