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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus; Kolokotronis; annalex; Cronos; HarleyD
No, but a person does need to understand what is at the core of the Bible to know God well enough to accept Him

So, now you are saying that man accepts God on his own accord? I wish you would make up your mind.

Of course, we make mistakes in receiving the message of the Spirit, but He keeps working in us for life

Oy! What happened to predestination!? Do you or don't you do as God wills (your own theology says you do)?

I think it has been clearly stated here that once saved you cannot sin because you are on God's tractor beam, and He doesn't make mistakes. Your theological cousins on the predestination side of the divide say that Judas was simply doing God's will. Then so must satan! If God allows it, it is good.

So, if you make a "mistake" (which is an oxymoron in your theology) how do you know it's not God's will? It has to be God's will, right?! God wants you to make a "mistake." Simple. Then it's not a mistake.

Otherwise you are thwarting God's power, to paraphrase you own words. I think you are beginning to trip over your own home-made theology.

2,495 posted on 02/10/2006 4:44:37 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; jo kus; Kolokotronis; annalex; Cronos
So, now you are saying that man accepts God on his own accord? I wish you would make up your mind.

Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God. Man doesn't accept anything on his own accord. God instills faith into men. He does that through the preaching of His word. And He has given us the honorable task of spreading the word. But God's word will go where He so directs.

Of course, we make mistakes in receiving the message of the Spirit...What happened to predestination!?

Not a thing. EVERYTHING works together for good to those who are called according to His purpose. When we make mistakes we learn and grow from those mistakes. When David murdered Uriah, as severe as that act had on the rest of David's life, he learned and grew from that experience. And, since God dictates the time of all of our deaths, David's murder of Uriah was ordained of God although it was still punished as sin. GASP!

Likewise, we as Christians make mistakes but God isn't surprised by any of it. He uses it to teach us and to help us to grow.

I think it has been clearly stated here that once saved you cannot sin because you are on God's tractor beam, and He doesn't make mistakes.

I don't know of any Calvinist on this board who would make such a claim and it's certainly not in the Westminster Confessions. John states that we no longer "practice sin". We become "slave to righteousness" but that doesn't mean we don't sin from time to time.

2,498 posted on 02/10/2006 6:18:52 PM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: kosta50; HarleyD
FK: "No, but a person does need to understand what is at the core of the Bible to know God well enough to accept Him."

So, now you are saying that man accepts God on his own accord? I wish you would make up your mind.

My mind is made up just fine, and man does not accept God on his own accord. :) Just as Harley is saying, once the elect are shown the light, we WILL accept God. Part of that light is knowing who Christ is and why we need Him. From our human POV we do experience a free choosing, even though God has already chosen and preordained the names of the elect.

I think it has been clearly stated here that once saved you cannot sin because you are on God's tractor beam, and He doesn't make mistakes. Your theological cousins on the predestination side of the divide say that Judas was simply doing God's will. Then so must satan! If God allows it, it is good.

God doesn't make mistakes, and if God allows it, then it is for God's greater good. As for the rest of it, the only person on this thread who has been arguing it has been you. You have only been reading your own "clear statements". :)

2,617 posted on 02/14/2006 1:31:08 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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