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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50

"Well, if God doesn't hate sin then how does he feel about it? Is He indifferent?"

Well, if you insist on being anthropomorphic about it, yes, He is indifferent.

"The Bible says that our God is a just God, that He is a God of mercy, that he pours out His wrath on those whom He chooses."

God is "just"? By whose standards? You don't know God's standards, none of use do and clearly God is not "just" at all by man's standards. Your definition creates a God to be saved "from" not "by". By the way, the English word "just" found in the bible is a mistranslation of the Greek which is similarly a mistranslation of the OT Hebrew.

"For that I am a Hellenistic Platonic heretic?"

No, because you seem to think that God is some sort of Platonic prime of Love, Hate, Justice, etc.


74 posted on 01/02/2006 3:01:01 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Well, if you insist on being anthropomorphic about it, yes, He is indifferent.

God is indifferent to sin? If so, then from what do we need saving and why did He bother to send His Son?

God is "just"? By whose standards? You don't know God's standards, none of use do and clearly God is not "just" at all by man's standards."

Well, by God's standards of course, by definition. We are given a million clues in the Bible as to what God's justice is, and all I know is that I don't want it.

Your definition creates a God to be saved "from" not "by"...

That's the whole point of my belief in grace. That's what makes all the difference.

87 posted on 01/02/2006 3:26:19 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; kosta50
Well, if you insist on being anthropomorphic about it, yes, He is indifferent [to sin].

Tsk, tsk Kolo to make such a statement. If this was so there was no reason for the death of His Son, no need for the fire and brimstone of Sodom, and certainly no need for flooding the earth. This is not the God of scripture.

115 posted on 01/02/2006 6:02:10 PM PST by HarleyD ("Command what you will and give what you command." - Augustine's Prayer)
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To: Kolokotronis
You don't know God's standards, none of use do and clearly God is not "just" at all by man's standards.

Do you KNOW God??? God has revealed Himself through His Son Jesus Christ. We know Him through The Holy Spirit and His Word. Jesus is The Word made flesh. When we have seen Him, we have seen the Father. God did not leave us clueless. He left us with an accurate account of all that we need to know about Him in The Bible. When we are His and obey Him he reveals Himself to us. In our spirit we call out to Him as our Father. We are called the children of God. What an intimate knowing relationship this is. It is the rightful quest of life to get to know The LORD better and better. We can have a relationship with Him and yes He does reveal Himself to us. It seems that you do not KNOW Him or really very much about Him except that you think He is unknowable except perhaps esoterically. The Muslims, also, believe that God is unknowable. One of the greatest things about Christianity is that God chooses to reveal Himself to us and desires to have a close, loving, and intimate relationship with us. He is our Father.

169 posted on 01/03/2006 5:38:16 AM PST by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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