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To: pepperhead; bornacatholic
Thanks for trying but where did Jesus ever mention "saints"?

"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints." - Revelations 5:8

Below is a prayer to St. Joseph that dates back to 50 A.D. - long before the last Apostle had died and less than 20 years after the death of Christ.  If the early Christians asked the "dead" foster father of Christ to intercede for them and it was "wrong," why is there no "documentation" from the Twelve Apostles "reprimanding" them for this?  Surely, the Apostles would have corrected the early Church had It been in err?

PRAYER TO ST. JOSEPH (50 A.D.)

O St. Joseph whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the Throne of God, I place in you all my interests and desires.

O St. Joseph do assist me by your powerful intercession and obtain for me from your Divine Son all spiritual blessings through Jesus Christ, Our Lord; so that having engaged here below your Heavenly power I may offer my Thanksgiving and Homage to the most Loving of Fathers.

O St. Joseph I never weary contemplating you and Jesus asleep in your arms. I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press him in my name and kiss His fine Head for me, and ask Him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath.

St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls, pray for us. Amen.


160 posted on 01/30/2006 9:14:07 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Some early christians were also baptized for the dead and Paul corrects them in this error. Just because an early Christian did it does not make it scriptural. You need to look to the scriptures for your understanding, not the supposed actions of early Christians.


162 posted on 01/30/2006 9:19:56 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: NYer

What is your documentation that the "prayer to Jesus step-father" dates back to AD 50?


164 posted on 01/30/2006 9:24:38 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: NYer
Revelations is new testament right?
174 posted on 01/31/2006 5:54:27 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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