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Mary: The Ark of the New Covenant
Catholic Culture ^ | February 24, 2006 | Steve Ray

Posted on 02/26/2006 11:29:18 AM PST by NYer

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Steve Ray is the author of Crossing the Tiber, Upon This Rock, and St. John's Gospel. He is also co-author of Catholic Answers' Papacy Learning Guide. You may contact him through his web site, www.catholicconvert.com
1 posted on 02/26/2006 11:29:19 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Beautiful examples of typology.


2 posted on 02/26/2006 11:30:26 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Thanks for posting this. I know the thread will be hammered later, but for the moment, I like to savor that image of our Lady filled with the Shekinah.

How amazing.



I see thee, little child in your mother's lap.
In you the impossible has come to be,
Creator enters creation and takes a nap
As mother you did make sings lullaby to thee.


3 posted on 02/26/2006 12:04:17 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer

kewl. Mary is awesome.


4 posted on 02/26/2006 12:10:43 PM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Who is it, really, making up your mind?")
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

And you -- fittingly named "ignorant," owe your own scriptural canon to the Catholic church.


6 posted on 02/26/2006 12:45:08 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: AlaninSA

When people want to pick on us and we know they are going to be sarcastic, we can say a prayer to our Blessed Mother, and offer up our irritations and pray for their needs.

But the Jewish people pretty much put the Old Testament scriptures together themselves. The septuagint predates the Christian church...and then later, they chose their own canon for their own reasons.


7 posted on 02/26/2006 12:52:08 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; NYer

That didn't take long. Do you think this one will last 10 days?


8 posted on 02/26/2006 12:59:24 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: NYer

Agreed.


9 posted on 02/26/2006 1:04:37 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Jaded; fatima

O Heart who knows well
how to love,
as generous as human heart
can be,
channel of God's grace
for this sad world,
ark of the covenant,
who carried within you
the one who created you,
You who offered your love,
Your generous heart
no matter the cost,
the sorrow,
the grief,
or how many swords would pass through
simply because the Lord asked it,
simply because you loved greatly,
Simply because that was you.

Mother of my Lord,
Immaculata,
Heaven's brightest rose,
Great-heart,
Full of Grace,
blessed,
Pray for us now, and at the hour of our deaths,
Amen


10 posted on 02/26/2006 1:06:02 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: AlaninSA
And you -- fittingly named "ignorant," owe your own scriptural canon to the Catholic church.

Ah..I don't think so. If you'd have paid attention you'd know I don't find NT writings to be inspired.

11 posted on 02/26/2006 1:28:34 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: AlaninSA

But I will concede that you owe the Jews a debt of gratitude for 2/3's of your canon.


12 posted on 02/26/2006 1:30:07 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

This only further demonstrates the degree of your ignorance. The writings of the OT at one time have included more and less of what we now consider canon. The Catholic Church defined what we now have in our Bibles. Protestants -- Luther, Calvin and others -- made additional changes.


13 posted on 02/26/2006 2:11:53 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

So whats your point?


14 posted on 02/26/2006 2:36:20 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: NYer

"For example, Luke wove some marvelous things into his Gospel that only a knowledgeable Jew would have understood"

Your post might be better received were it not for the fact that Luke was a Greek, writing in Greek, to a friend in Greece. How would Luke or his friend have the understanding of the Hebrew language which "only a knowledgeable Jew would have understood?"


15 posted on 02/26/2006 2:41:09 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I always wonder what must motivate someone to post something in the Religion forum when they clearly intend only to insult anyone who holds faith in a Religion.


16 posted on 02/26/2006 2:47:54 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: tenn2005
"One of the things he would have understood is typology."

Is it your assertion then that a fluency in Hebrew is required to understand typology?

17 posted on 02/26/2006 2:51:08 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

By no means. However the article states that these things could have only been understood by a "knowledgeable Jew." Neither Luke or his friend in Greece were "knowledgeable Jews." That is the only point that I am making.


18 posted on 02/26/2006 2:55:25 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Each week when the offerings are presented, we chant a hymn in which is this phrase .....

Mary's womb became for Me a fertile garden ....

What a beautifu typology!

Last night, on EWTN's program, Fr. Corapi talked about the human holocaust of abortion in which innocent babies are torn from what should be the safest place for them - their mother's womb.

Beautiful poem ... thanks for posting it.

19 posted on 02/26/2006 3:02:16 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Jaded
Do you think this one will last 10 days?

Lol .... they're still going at it on the Protestant thread. This thread may very well fizzle, as a result. I did't post it so much for commentary as to share these symbols with the catholics in the forum.

My pastor is from the East. Each month he hosts a gospel 'soiree' - a casual evening of discussion on the Gospels. Last week he chose a parable from St. Luke which we all read silently to ourselves. He then asked us what stood out. He then reread the parable, dissecting each element as we went along. At a certain phrase he paused, cited it in Koine Greek and then gave us a fuller explanation. Like this article, he pointed out the typology in the parable and reminded us that the Gospels were written for the Jewish people.

Afterwards, I asked him about our Lord's reference to Himself as the "gate". He explained that in Jerusalem, there were many gates to the city. That is where the judges heard disagreements and made rulings. Jesus referred to Himself as the "gate" to symbolize that He is perfect Justice.

Understanding typology in the Gospels, truly opens up Scripture. It moves us backwards in time to when these parables and stories were written. As Father noted, the early christians would gather each week and recall the words of Jesus, trying to put them all into context. This was before the Gospels were written. Like a good joke, it was the most provocative and eventful stories that were eventually recorded in written form. That is why one of the Gospel writers says that if all the words of Jesus were recorded, there would not be enough books to contain them.

20 posted on 02/26/2006 3:18:23 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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