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Some Latin set to return to Novus Ordo
CNA ^ | March 20, 2006 | Catholic News Agency

Posted on 03/20/2006 7:50:53 PM PST by NYCCatholic

Pope’s upcoming Apostolic Exhortation likely to call for increased liturgical solemnity, reintegration of Latin

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TOPICS: Catholic; Worship
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To: mike182d
It's o.k., it's an Episcopagan Priestess . . .

. . . and now I'm off to confession too . . .

81 posted on 03/21/2006 10:03:49 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
It's o.k., it's an Episcopagan Priestess . . .

rofl!

Well, thank God! Then she's really not a priest! I don't feel so bad anymore, lol.
82 posted on 03/21/2006 10:04:50 AM PST by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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To: Hieronymus
It [the Bishops' Micky D's] would give cafeteria Catholics a place to go.

LOL! Good one!

83 posted on 03/21/2006 10:04:58 AM PST by livius
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To: NYCCatholic
Some Latin set to return to Novus Ordo.

BABALU, MI JESUS!

84 posted on 03/21/2006 10:05:12 AM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
They still have the communion rail at St. Anthony of Padua?

Why don't they ripe out the marble and sell it for scrap?

Replace all marble with whitewashed plastered walls.

Get rid of the ornate stain-glass windows and replace them with "attractive" stain glass windows that like this:


85 posted on 03/21/2006 10:05:59 AM PST by Robertsll
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

I'm voting for the renovated Cathedral of Sacramento (CA)! The renovated Cathedral of Savannah is great, too; the latter was beautifully restored after an earlier bishop had apparently attempted a wreckovation, btw, so there's always hope.


86 posted on 03/21/2006 10:09:53 AM PST by livius
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Now THAT is a splendid church!


87 posted on 03/21/2006 10:10:44 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: mike182d; AnAmericanMother
Wow. I've never in my life ever felt the inclination to punch a priest before, but there it is. Well, I'm off to confession...

Thank you for saying what we all were thinking.

88 posted on 03/21/2006 10:12:22 AM PST by Nihil Obstat ( Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: Robertsll

nah! they didnt salvage the communion rail.
I dont think the salvaged the original marble. The altar feel through the floor durring the fire so that wasnt salvageable. The walls are pretty much white washed except the ceiling which is painted nicely. I was told it was painted to look like the ceiling of the original.
oh they did salvage the crucifix too. The stort goes that once the firemen realized they couldnt control the fire in the roof, they turned it into a salvage operation and took as many things out of the chuch as quickly as possible.


My parish, epiphany of our lord in plymouth meeting is actually replacing the "crayola crayon" looking stained windows and putting in new ones. They look really good! They are replacing the pulpit and ambo as well.

I heard they even want to redo the tabernacle and make it look more ornate which would improve the "modern refrigerator" look haha.


89 posted on 03/21/2006 10:13:06 AM PST by JustMytwocents70
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To: Hieronymus
first he should mandate studies for all of the priests in the Church - one year of liturgical Latin

To be studied in Rome. There is nothing like drinking at the source. Those new priests will be hooked on Latinity for life.

90 posted on 03/21/2006 10:19:51 AM PST by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
If only more modern churches were built like this! it must have cost a small fortune though.

Construction of new churches still cost a "small fortune." Why not spend a few more million and make it beautiful?

For 200 million dollars, this...

... was replaced with this:


91 posted on 03/21/2006 10:25:06 AM PST by Robertsll
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To: livius
That said, his suggestions are: More Latin in the NO (the entire Canon in Latin, for example); the priest should face ad orientem during the Canon and any parts of the Mass not actually directed at the people; the cycle of readings should be revised to make the readings not just a three-year trudge through the OT, but memorable and intelligible passages that are repeated on a yearly cycle, as they used to be in the Old Mass; the restoration of Gregorian chant; and the removal of "options" from the rite, whether they are optional readings, Canons, things to be omitted, etc.

We are so fortunate to have Fr. Robinson as one of the priests here in our parish. I attended a public talk about his book at the "evenings at the Oratory" a few months ago and he gently explained the thesis of his book. Very interesting. By the way, Mass at Holy Family parish, served by the Oratorians here, implements all the reforms of Fr. Robinson into the Novus Ordo Mass. I think most people would prefer the Novus Ordo when it is done with due reverence, soaring polyphonic chant, and without profane modernist "options."

92 posted on 03/21/2006 10:25:51 AM PST by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Beautiful church. I have seen a few like that, but many more that have been desecrated.

I went to one of my grandsons' first communions, to a Church in West Roxbury, Massachusetts, and saw something similar recently. A huge church, like a basilica, all marble and beautiful statues and stained glass windows. An enormous number of little boys and girls with their families, everyone dressed up, waiting to receive First Communion or Communion.

No demographic problem there, like there is in the posher suburbs. And when it was over and we were all filing out, a whole new crowd of children and families came in the other door. The church was as big a basilica, but it turned out that they had to have two services, because the communicants and their families couldn't fit into the church for just one Mass!


93 posted on 03/21/2006 10:35:58 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Clemenza
Some Latin set to return to Novus Ordo.

BABALU, MI JESUS!

Hey true story...a women from my former NO parish asked me why she doesn't see me anymore, before I could answer another person responded telling her that I now go to a Latin mass.

"A Latin mass?" the first woman exclaimed, "why do you go to a Latin mass, are you Latin?"

94 posted on 03/21/2006 10:40:46 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE

yeah I love those people. They look at you like you are an alien for even sayung that. I have a couple of people from my parish where I am regisered at that go to the same latin mass I go to.

but alot of people look at me puszzled for even going to it.


95 posted on 03/21/2006 10:49:58 AM PST by JustMytwocents70
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To: Antioch

You're very lucky to be in his parish. I thought his book was extremely interesting (complex but excellent points about the philosophical shift that led to, among other things, the current state of the Church and her ideas about herself in society, as well as the liturgy). I think the NO is basically rather deficient, but it is certainly bearable with his suggestions.

When I go to Mass in Spain, where the translation is much more accurate than the English translation, and the priests are not so given to impromptu flights of fancy, I find it much less distressing than I generally find Masses here in the US. Sometimes here in Florida I feel like my blood pressure has gotten so high I'm about to keel over in the pew! And I have low blood pressure to begin with...


96 posted on 03/21/2006 11:05:20 AM PST by livius
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To: murphE
BABALU, MI JESUS!

LOL! A "Latin" Mass! Some people are so obtuse you hardly know where to begin sorting things out for them.

97 posted on 03/21/2006 11:21:05 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
When I go to Mass in Spain, where the translation is much more accurate than the English translation, and the priests are not so given to impromptu flights of fancy, I find it much less distressing than I generally find Masses here in the US. Sometimes here in Florida I feel like my blood pressure has gotten so high I'm about to keel over in the pew! And I have low blood pressure to begin with...

I've only ever gone to this Holy Family Mass, but recently I attended a Mass at a large Franciscan Church and wow what a difference. Electric guitars and drums, "props" used during the Homily, no penitential right, a cement alter on astroturf, tabernacle stuffed in a plywood box off to the side and of course Marty Hagen filling the air like fingernails across a blackboard. I felt utterly depressed afterwards, which I suppose was the goal

98 posted on 03/21/2006 11:32:16 AM PST by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: thehairinmynose

Starting a little early for a newbie, aren't you?


99 posted on 03/21/2006 12:53:14 PM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: livius

Another 100th post notch in my belt.
Our church is being renovated, again! Tabernacle is back in the middle on the altar where it belongs. Deus vult!


100 posted on 03/21/2006 1:13:13 PM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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