I posted to him:
Here is Mark 16:9 from the original 1611 KJV and a link where you can check it out. You have changed the punctuation by adding a comma after the word risen and removed the comma after the word week as I said before.
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
His reply was:
Once again, I did not add anything. If you notice the spelling of words you'll see that I'm quoting the original 1611 with old English spelling:
He continued his argument by saying:
You keep quoting the modernized version of the 1611 edition with updated spelling which presumably also altered punctuation.
Thank you FullCourt for this very informative post.
I've been terribly busy "in the world" lately an unable to spend a lot of time here. Hopefully ealy next week things will cool off and I can get back to chasing my tail here in FReligion!
Tenn, you sure do like to debate the Sabbath! I dare say you like debating it more than us Sabbatarians like keeping it!
While I do not think you can conclusively identify exactly when Jesus was resurrected using the 4 gopels, I also know that it is irrelevant to the keeping of the Sabbath - except that the recounts all refer to people keeping 2 Sabbaths in 1 week. 3 gospels say the tomb was discovered empty on the Sabbath and the 4th could go either way. I have posted time and time again all of the references to the Sabbath in the NT and not once was it ever repealed. I have also posted over and over that the "rest of her seed" or "remnant" are identified by having BOTH the Testimony of Jesus Christ AND the Commandments of God.
Q: How do we know Jesus was the Messiah (besides the fact that He told us)?
A: Because He fulfilled the prophesies (odd trying to use the word "fulfill" here to mean "end") of the OT, specifically those of Isaiah.
Q: How did Isaiah tell us we could identify false prophets?
A: Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom Jehovah has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Jehovah of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. Isa 8:19 And when they shall say to you, Seek to the mediums and to wizards who peep and mutter; should not a people seek to their God, than for the living to the dead? Isa 8:20 To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because no light is in them.
Therefore, if Jesus or anyone who ever claimed/claims to have a hotline to God ever tells you to disobey the Law or the Testimony then they are phony.
The Sabbatarian point of view is very black and white. We believe that the Bible is linear from Genesis to Revelation. One path of salvation laid out from the foundation. One set of rules for both Jew and Gentile. Abraham was saved by his faith in the One True God and he demonstrated this faith through action by doing exactly what God told him to do, until he got a reprieve.
Many of us have shown you time and again that Sunday worship is an invention of man and that its "Biblicality" is actualy revisionism. To believe in Sunday as the new Sabbath, you have to believe in things that the Bible doesn't say. You have to "read it in to" the Bible. X must mean X or Y. The Law was nailed to the cross. Jesus is my Sabbath, blah, blah, blah. The Law was never nailed to the cross, the Author of the Law was nailed to the cross to pay the penalty for sin and the perfect sinless Lamb of God. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath which means a) there is a Sabbath and b)He is Lord of it. He gets to decide what is OK to do on the Sabbath and what is not.
The list of changes is incomplete, however. The original run of the King James bible included such doozies as "Thou shalt murder... Thou shalt commit adultery... Thou shalt covet they neighbor's wife." As such, it was called, "the Devil's bible."
Strictly a printing error, though...
The point of the exchange was that you were accusing me of dishonesty. You were stating that "I" was adding to the text of the KJV in Mark 16:9. You were essentially calling me a liar and a cheat. That was not true. The KJV of 1611, like other translations, translates Mark 16:9 one way, while other translatations translate it another way.
Now if you want to make the case that the KJV of 1611 translated Mark 16:9 wrong by "mistake" and later versions of the KJV were accurate, then that still doesn't alter the fact that I didn't lie or add anything to the text. And it still doesn't alter the fact that ALL punctuation in all English versions is uninspired.