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Friday, August 11, 2006 Music ministers urged to emphasize unity, not agendas
Archdiocese of Los Angeles ^ | August 11, 2006 | Mike Nelson

Posted on 08/12/2006 2:13:24 PM PDT by Carolina

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1 posted on 08/12/2006 2:13:26 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Coleus; NYer; Salvation; Convert from ECUSA; AnAmericanMother; bornacatholic; Nihil Obstat; ...

Catholic Ping!


2 posted on 08/12/2006 2:14:47 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Pyro7480

Featuring our most favorite liturgical musician! Not!


3 posted on 08/12/2006 2:15:55 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina

I think the dinosaurs sense the approaching meteorite . . .


4 posted on 08/12/2006 2:36:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Yes, initialed BXVI, Pont. Max.


5 posted on 08/12/2006 3:23:17 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina

http://www.mgilleland.com/music/moratorium.htm


6 posted on 08/12/2006 4:32:38 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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7 posted on 08/12/2006 4:52:30 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina
"We have to stop fighting, put down our swords, truly love one another --- intentionally and unconditionally --- and listen to one another in love," he said. "Because these debates are tearing us apart."

Gee, considering the audience, I guess Mr. Haas thinks musicians, liturgists and clergy need a big ol' attitude adjustment.

8 posted on 08/12/2006 9:39:37 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Carolina
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A good article on Heretical Hymns by George Weigel

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/137/story_13758.html

9 posted on 08/12/2006 10:58:23 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: Antioch

This is really funny, thanks!


10 posted on 08/13/2006 3:41:02 AM PDT by Diva
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To: Carolina
Crux Fidelis - Joao IV of Portugal
11 posted on 08/13/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Carolina
Holy is the True Light - William Harris
12 posted on 08/13/2006 7:15:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Those brought back memories.

How was liturgy at your church today?

Were it not for the Eucharist and the homily which was brilliant, today's was especially trying for me. Opening song: Gather Your People (Bob the Other Hurd); Psalm: Here I Am (Cooney); Mass setting: St. Louis Jesuits; Presentation: Look Beyond (Ducotte); Communion: Taste and See; Closing: I am the Bread of Life.

Hardly anyone sang. The choir and cantor, sensing that no one was singing, sang ever louder and louder into the mics. I actually had to cover my ears, that's how painful the sound was. To top it off, the music director forgot that he was in church and his accompaniment improv was more fit for a barroom. Really depressing.

I'm thinking of having a Sunday after-liturgy thread...how was liturgy at your church today. Maybe those of you with better experiences can help cheer those of us who have no other choice.

13 posted on 08/13/2006 9:14:09 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina

I have sung in my church choir for 11 years. I never knew there was such disdain for what we are singing! I have to say that our director does a good mix of the old and the new. We sing a lot of "Panis Agelicus", "Ave Verum", and "Veni Jesu". Not to mention during Lent, much of the Mass itself is done in latin. We use chants during Holy Saturday mass. But everything is mixed with the new as well. I will have to keep my ears open, to see if anyone is complaining at our church!


14 posted on 08/13/2006 2:34:14 PM PDT by Krista33
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There's an overarching and misguided emphasis on "active participation". The former music director at our parish used a LOT, and I mean a lot, of "praise" music. Stuff like "Shout to the Lord"; "Lord, prepare me to be a sanctuary"; stuff like that and introduced a band. Certain choir members are relieved to sing this genre of music. They believe that the church is finally where they are...finally after all these years, they can "worship" and "feel". When I ask them about what they think the Mass is all about, they get mad at me and tell me that I think too much about theology. Don't you know, Vatican II opened the doors and allowed us to now experience Jesus.

Currently, the bishops are working on a compendium of liturgical songs. They have actually asked some very good questions about the state of our liturgical songs. If you're interested, here's the Powerpoint Report by the Subcommittee on Liturgy and Music. They actually studied some of the most popular songs to see where they are on the theological spectrum. With the new mass translations and the pastoral letter that the Pope has written about liturgy and music (it's in the translation stage), people like Haugen/Haas/Schutte/Foley et al are trying to head off being supplanted.

15 posted on 08/13/2006 3:05:53 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Krista33

"....during Lent, much of the Mass itself is done in latin."

Why during Lent?


16 posted on 08/13/2006 7:25:08 PM PDT by rogator
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To: Carolina

I don't think I would like to hear this at a mass, but for good listening with an even better message ...

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ps - I am not KAZKILL - I just like their Blues!


17 posted on 08/13/2006 9:00:57 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: Carolina

Memo to Music Convention:

Stop with the boom-shaka-la-ka-boom-shaka-la-ka shake-your-boootie happy-clappy hootenany shlock and use music proper for a Mass! Dust off pre-1960s hymnals and open them for further instructions and examples. And quit with 95% of the "cantoresses" being Sopranos that either sing off key, use the cantor slot to show off their "talent", or sing so loud and shrill that dogs in a five mile radius start howling. To say nothing of said "cantoresses" (and a few "cantors" I've endured) waving their arms like the batmen on the USS Lexington trying to land an F6F in 1944. Take away all guitars, tabourines, etc. from all musicians upon entering the building and return them to the owners AFTER the Mass is ended.


18 posted on 08/14/2006 5:57:54 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: Krista33
I don't think it's necessarily disdain.

The problem is that much of the contemporary church music is in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not a performance event.

The music is to accompany and support the Mass, not to entertain or to show off the vocal abilities of the choir.

The singers are not performers.

Unfortunately, much popular music is written with entertainment in mind. It redirects the congregation from the altar to the choir and the singers. And many of the "modern" hymns redirect the singer from God to self -- look at how many times "I, me, mine" appear in things like "Here I Am, Lord."

Aside from that, much of the modern stuff is banal musical dreck. As our music director says, "the first time I heard the Haugen Mass of Creation, I knew it was AWFUL and everybody was going to LOVE it . . . "

I'm not anti-modern music, some of it is very good. Almost anything by the serious modern English composers is going to be o.k. - Tavener, Rutter, and going back a little further Vaughn Williams, Howells, S.S. Wesley, etc. Some of the Americans like Ned Rorem, Gerald Near, etc. are also splendid. This is all serious liturgical music - composed with an eye to setting the text and integrating with the Mass. (You can tell I'm an ex-Anglican, but there's nothing to touch English choral music except German chorales and the old Italian polyphony.)

Exactly what kind of music are you singing?

19 posted on 08/14/2006 6:15:42 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Convert from ECUSA
And quit with 95% of the "cantoresses" being Sopranos that either sing off key, use the cantor slot to show off their "talent", or sing so loud and shrill that dogs in a five mile radius start howling. To say nothing of said "cantoresses" (and a few "cantors" I've endured) waving their arms like the batmen on the USS Lexington trying to land an F6F in 1944.

My children were perturbed when they saw their first cantor in the Catholic Church. "Why is she waving her arms? Did someone score a goal? And why is she blasting our ears?" They were used to cantors being in the choir loft, unseen, unmiked, singing straight tone. The congregation knew that after a big pause, they were supposed to come in and respond. I want to know if that arm-waving thing is in the GIRM somewhere and I missed it?

20 posted on 08/14/2006 6:24:36 AM PDT by Carolina
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