Posted on 08/14/2006 11:19:14 AM PDT by Gamecock
Because you cannot do otherwise as your argument illustrates in several ways.
Translation: Don't trust man, trust tradition. The Pope will tell you what to believe.
I'm glad most colonists were Proddies, otherwise we'd still be sitting around hearing how great the tradition of having an earthly king is..
That was a poor translation.
Perhaps a better one could start this way:
How would you describe/define "sacred writings" in the verse you posted?
Secondly, from the same verses:
What was Paul referring to by "All Scripture"?
What does "profitable" mean in this verse?
"We hold that man is never so near grace as when he begins to feel he can do nothing at all. When he says, 'I can pray, I can believe, I can do this, and I can do the other,' marks of self-sufficiency and arrogance are on his brow."Same question for the "Institutes of the Christian Religion".
Profitable "for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness." Note it doesn't say run down to the corner priest to see what tradition says reproof, correction, and training in righteousness. Scripture is profitable.
Here is a little Proddie Secret: let Scripture interpret Scripture. Usually all you have to do is read 20 verses up, and 20 verses down to get the full flavor of any verse. Sometimes it takes a bit more study. But it is all there.
http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_fire.htm
And if you choose not to read it…the treasure will remain hidden, but not because God wanted it to remain so.
45 posted on 08/14/2006 8:31:05 PM MDT by AMHN
I prayed to YHvH for guidance in response. Lot's of what men with fancy titles said; very little of the Holy Word of G-d. The tone was "we're special; everyone is out of favor except us". "The Papists and the Protestants are wrong; we are right. The Jews are lost and now We are now Israel. I hope that helps you.I read the article; I was extremely underwhelmed.
b'shem Yahu'shua
Might be? You see the question is whether there are any protestant "traditions" that "clearly" contradict scripture. If the answer is "might be," then it isn't clear, is it?
There is nothing in scripture that prohibits dedicating your children to God. There are clear prohibitions against bowing before graven images or statues.
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. (Jeremiah 17:5-6 KJV)
Nor is there anything in scripture that requires the baptizing of infants, nor is there anything that really even mentions the baptizing of infants.
And I speak as one who baptizes/dedicates infants.
I thought previously you spoke in favor of [correctd] tradition?
Also, I think we would agree that this verse doesn't mean, for example: a wife who trusts her husband to look out for his family is not cursed. So it's not correct to transliterate it to: "don't trust any man for anything any time."
What do you think its fuller meaning is? "…and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." for example.
Thanks for your reply. I think we agree: "Scripture is profitable."
The point here is it does not say "only scripture..." which would be its use to defend the extreme view of sola scriptura. I realize many (most?) protestant theologians do not propose sola scriptura in this extreme formulation.
Would you care to have a go at the other two query posts?
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Faith "establishes" the law of Christ, AKA known as the law of love. However, the law of Christ is very different than the law of Moses. Christians walk with the lawgiver, and hence are not under the law of Moses with it's rules and regulations. Against love there is no law.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I refuse to argue with a brick wall.
Your argument is not with the wall, but the Word. Christianity is about faith. True faith leads to love. Love leads to obedience. Was Abraham saved because he thought about sacrificing his son, or was he saved when he demonstrated his faith by actually preparing to sacrifice his only son because God told him to.
If your son says he loves you, but then immediately and blatantly disobeys you, does he really love you?
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
The article, all 7K+ words, is about getting Christianity back to being biblical. Keeping Sunday sacred is not Biblical. Dont' take my word for it
Did Christ acquire a sinful nature?
The more appropriate question is "Did Christ sin". Christ never sinned and His death paid the penalty for sin. Sin remains and is defined by the transgression of the law.
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savor.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Is it possible for anyone to have the assurance of salvation?
What scripture do you base this question on?
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Why is it that nine of the commandments are reiterated in the New Testament, but the "duty" to keep the seventh day as Sabath is not mentioned ONCE?
Not raping children isn't mentioned in the NT? At any rate, Jesus told us how to keep the Sabbath, but the Sabbath remains.
Mar 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
When the New Testament lists sins, why is Sabath breaking absent?
It isn't. It is included in broader terms.
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The Sabbath is the foremost thing we can do to show God we love Him.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Why does Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30 say that the seal of God is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and not the keeping of the Sabath?
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
The article plainly states that scripture cannot contradict scripture. The Holy Spirit cannot lead a man to purposefully sin. Are you saying the indwelling of the Holy Spirit licenses sin?
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Do you keep the Sabath by observing from sunset to sunset? No burden carried? No fire kindled (Would that include fire in the engine of your car)? And no cooking?
Jesus taught us that is is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. What I do to keep the Sabbath holy is not up for debate nor is it any of your business.
Luk 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days Luk 6:3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was hungry, and they which were with him; Luk 6:4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone? Luk 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luk 6:6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered. Luk 6:7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him. Luk 6:8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. Luk 6:10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Do you then enforce these violations by death? (Numbers 15)
Jesus paid the penalty for sin with His perfect, once for all sacrifice. It is appointed that all men die once, the judgement will determine who gets resurrected and who dies for eternity.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
These are just a few of the many conflicts that I can post on the conflict of trying to put Sabath Keeping as a requirement for salvation. Please post your answers with Scriptural references.
The only conflict here is the supposed "bible" faiths who obey the pope of Rome by duly keeping the man created Sunday sabbath.
"I have repeatedly offered $1000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church. Priest Thomas Enright, CSSR, President of Redemptorist College, Kansas City, Missouri, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, and printed in the American Sentinel, June 1883, a New York Roman Catholic journal. Sincerely
Not only is it profitable it is the only revelation of God that He labelled "perfect", complete. There is no mention of tradition in the same light or importance.
1Cr 13:9-10 "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."
Jam 1:21-25, "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."
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