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1 posted on 09/26/2006 4:48:33 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/26/2006 4:49:14 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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The Mass is a sacrifice insofar as it is the memorial that ritually renews and makes present to us, in time, Christ's once-and-for-all sacrifice on the cross.

That was an interesting non-answer - contradicts himself in one sentence.

6 posted on 09/26/2006 7:38:54 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Faith-sharing bump.


10 posted on 09/26/2006 8:13:33 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Leaning on the everlasting arms.)
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http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html#eucharist-Ia


41 posted on 09/27/2006 7:33:44 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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http://www.salvationhistory.com/online/beginner/begcourse2_home.cfm


42 posted on 09/27/2006 7:40:23 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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This is helpful. However, many protestants mistakenly think the Bible is a recipe for Christianity. THey think it "complete"

They have to be shown where the Mass comes from. I have posted a few links - the one from St. Paul Center is the best, imo. It does take some time to read it but it is laid out very well.

All we can do is post the truth. Others have Free Will to accept or reject it.

43 posted on 09/27/2006 7:44:09 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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Great post. Some new ideas to cogitate over....


66 posted on 09/27/2006 6:44:40 PM PDT by r9etb
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Christ's perfect sacrifice on the Cross is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world- past, present and future. At the Eucharist, Divine Liturgy, Mass, Lord's Supper, whatever term we use, the Words of Institution include "Do this in remembrance of Me" or "Do this to Me make present again". The point being that we are not re-sacrificing Christ (there is no need to do that), but that we are mystically bringing ourselves back to Christ's one oblation. It's a spiritual re-play. The only new sacrifice that is made at the Eucharist is that of the participants offering themselves unto Christ.

In regards to the elements- Jesus did say that me must consume his flesh and blood. The Doctrine of the Real Presence says that Christ is really present in the bread and wine. The substance (by "substance" I mean unerlying nature, not physical attributes- similar to the "substance of an arguement") of the elements is changed to that of Christ's flesh and blood. Yes, it's really bread and wine and it's really flesh and blood- just as Christ is really human and really divine.

It's way too early for me to be thinking about this....


72 posted on 09/28/2006 4:59:58 AM PDT by bobjam
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Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump Bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


74 posted on 09/28/2006 12:18:01 PM PDT by Maeve (Sr. Leonella, Martyr of Christ, pray for us.)
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