[bornacatholic]

My conviction is that your approach, as consistent it may be with Ecclesia Dei, is not charitable. The Vatican's own documents and negotiations with the SSPX since 1988 show that they are taking the charitable route, unlike you and bornacatholic.

*First of all, I object to your practice of putting BE before me. I know alphabetically he might be, but, I am getting jealous

There is a difference. Me and BE are not romancing the stonehearts. The Pope, like Jesus, is. He is after the lost sheep.

My intent is to mock, scorn, laugh at, ridicule, scandalise, condemn etc etc the schism. I want the schism to be seeen as hateful, insane, heretical and a clear and present danger to the fate of one's immortal soul.

DON'T TOUCH IT. IT IS POISON. IT WILL KILL YOUR SOUL AND DETROY YOUR MIND is what I yell at my brothers and sisters lurking here.

Due to feminism and relativism, the SATANIC idea has taken hold that there can be such a thing as a "good" schism and the sspx, it is thought, is a "good" schism. To real Christian men, that ought be akin to the idea there is such a thing as "good" adultery.

The fact of the matter is the actions of me and BE ARE Tradition. In Tradition, lay men have ALWAYS been masculine and forceful in fighting the enemies of the Church. Sadly, due to the successes of Feminism and the homosexualisation of our society, many men have been cowed (no offense, Oprah) into thinking Phil Donahue or Mike Farrell ought be our role models.

NOT ME!!!

NOT BE (If i may be so bold to speak for him)

Look, we all have been made differently. We all have our own way of being. I use what I have to do what I can to serve My Lord and Saviour and the Church He established. I am willing to stand before Him and account for what I have done vis a vis the schism.

It's you and your counterparts on the SSPX side that will be relics of the past.

*Those who fight and die on behalf of Holy Mother Chuch ought be relics - embedded in the Altar. Many already have been...

Those who fight and die on behalf of the schism will become the leaden crowns on the skulls of the heretical/schismatic Bishops whose heads pave the floor of Hell

[BlackElk]

BAC: You can speak for me anytime. Your stated intent is also mine. In fact, I leave pyro7480 to your tender mercy and genuine charity. Isn't it remarkable that to be "charitable" we must ignore or lie about the truth of Ecclesia Dei? After all, it was not as if John Paul the Great was pope or anything or held the keys to the Kingdom as part of the job description.

There are those who forget that so great an early Church figure as Tertullian, in spite of all of his "Doctor of the Church" level brilliance as a theologian, nevertheless died an UltraMontane heretic when he of all people certainly knew better. Whoops, there I go again. Next incoming from Tertullian's UltraMontanists!