Posted on 10/19/2006 5:57:34 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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Interesting persepctives.
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I am old enough to remember the tension and tough talk leading up to a negotiation between the US and the Soviets. As the talks wore on and they drew closer to an agreement both sides would go out of their way to find nice things to say about each other.
Watch for similar events in the coming days and weeks. It will be a sign that a reconciliation is at hand.
I'm surprised -- I didn't think it would. Good news.
*LMAO What next? Charlie Manson issuing Press releases saying the Govt has yet to meet all of his demands so he will remain in Prison?
*DICI stands for Deracinated, Insane, Chimeral, Incoherent
*lefevbre did this after giving his word and signing an agreement he would NOT go ahead with the ordinations. Of course, he reneged on his word. And many in the sspx cult think these are the sorts of actions guaranteeing he will be, someday, declared a saint
* WRONG !!!!
Pope Paul VI, 1976...Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people. The Instruction of 14 June 1971 provided the celebration of Mass according to the former rite would be permitted, by faculty from the Ordinary, only for aged or sick priests offering the sacrifice without a congregation. The new Ordo Missae was promulgated in place of the old after careful deliberation and to carry out the directives of Vatican Council II. For a like reason, our predecessor St. Pius V, after the Council of Trent, commanded the use of the Roman Missal revised by his authority.
In virtue of the supreme authority granted to us by Jesus Christ we command the same ready obedience to the other laws, relating to liturgy, discipline, pastoral activity, made in these last years to put into effect the decrees of the Council
"The BEST that can be said for Fellay is he is ignorant The ignorance and the lies NEVER end. It is all agit/prop all the time. And this is the outfit guaranteeing Tradition?
It is an absolute disgrace "The Wanderer" is publishing this claptrap
*Lefevbre SIGNED EACH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS so we have the hysterically comical and insane scene played out daily whereby the schism Lefevbre started publicly opposes the very Documents he signed.
John Stewart can't write stuff this funny
THe SSPX considers the Second Vatican Council heretical in these aresas which means, it publicly takes the position, without acknowle4dghing it, that its very founder is a heretic because he signed those heretical documents.
Does this make any sense? NO.
Do the sspx cult members care? NO
*Nasty and disingenuous.
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger: The Feast of Faith: Approaches to a Theology of the Liturgy
Lest there be any misunderstanding, let me add that as far as its contents in concerned (apart from a few criticisms), I am very grateful for the new Missal, for the way it has enriched the treasury of prayers and prefaces, for the new eucharistic prayers and the increased number of texts for use on weekdays, etc., quite apart from the availability of the vernacular. But I do regard it as unfortunate that we have been presented with the idea of a new book rather with that of continuity within a single liturgical history.
In my view, a new edition will need to make it quite clear that the so-called Missal of Paul VI is nothing other than a renewed form of the same Missal to which Pius X, Urban VIII, Pius V and their predecessors have contributed, right from the Church?s earliest history. It is of the very essence of the Church that she should be aware of her unbroken continuity throughout the history of faith, expressed in an ever-present unity of prayer.
*WAy to go Wanderer, spred hatred about an apporved Rite of the Catholic Church. So what is tRent teqaches that such a thing in anathema?
*So WHAT? IN additon to being nearly infallibly wrong every time he speaks about the Liturgy, he teaches the normative mass is EVIL.
From John Paul II and Benedict XVI – What Next for the Traditional Mass?
Seeking to improve the situation, in 1986 John Paul II appointed an advisory commission of cardinals. The findings of this commission have never been officially published, but the information that we have from serious sources allows us to affirm, with regards to the question if the Traditional Mass had ever been suppressed, that the opinion of the cardinals was that it had never been suppressed and that a bishop did not have the right to forbid a priest from saying the Traditional Mass. Cardinal Ratzinger in his conference of 24 October 1998 underlined that the Council never forbade the use of the previous liturgical books. In a recent interview, Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez emphasised this same opinion that the Missal of St Pius V had never been suppressed.
I find the modern idea there is such a thing as a "good" schism a repulsive and sickening development and I think it is a result of relativism, secularism, and feminism which has so deeply infected and poisoned this cult. The schism embodies eveything bad about the modern world. It is protestantism in Fiddlebacks. It does the work of Satan and it is praised as a preserver of Tradition.
I am going to post a reminder from better days about how to think about schism.
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans
... CHAPTER VIII.--LET NOTHING BE DONE WITHOUT THE BISHOP.
See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
CHAPTER IX.--HONOUR THE BISHOP.
Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil.
THE SSPX SCHISM SERVES SATAN
*Read what you posted. You STILL need permisssion
From The Altar and the Direction of Liturgical Prayer
Admittedly, these connections were obscured or fell into total oblivion in the church buildings and liturgical practice of the modern age. This is the only explanation for the fact that the common direction of prayer of priest and people got labeled as "celebrating towards the wall" or "turning your back on the people" and came to seem absurd and totally unacceptable. And this alone explains why the meal -- even in modern pictures -- became the normative idea of liturgical celebration for Christians.
In reality what happened was that an unprecedented clericalization came on the scene. Now the priest -- the "presider", as they now prefer to call him -- becomes the real point of reference for the whole Liturgy. Everything depends on him. We have to see him, to respond to him, to be involved in what he is doing. His creativity sustains the whole thing.
Not surprisingly, people try to reduce this newly created role by assigning all kinds of liturgical functions to different individuals and entrusting the "creative" planning of the Liturgy to groups of people who like to, and are supposed to, "make a contribution of their own". Less and less is God in the picture. More and more important is what is done by the human beings who meet here and do not like to subject themselves to a "pre-determined pattern".
I read ya, brother. Any time fellay says anything I immediately respond "wrong". He is infallibly wrong on liturgy and theology. He is incapable of teaching the truth in his position as the schismatic tsar
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