Posted on 12/04/2006 10:22:38 AM PST by SirLinksalot
The NT fully affirms all that is written in the OT.
The Koran makes the claim that previous revelations are corrupt and thus contradicts them.
Your comparison of the NT succession to the OT and the Koran succession to the NT/OT hasn't been thoughtful.
John 8:58
Jesus said to them,"Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
By this statement Jesus affirms his pre-existence and lays claim to the name give to Moses at the burning bussh.
As the apostles stood on the shoulders of the prophets of the OT without having the NT,
I now have the NT and the luxury thankfully of standing on the shoulders of the Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles.
My pleasure. I found this when I first started to hear about the expectations Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had for the "Mahdi" and it stunned me how it paralleled the Biblical account, but in reverse. I tell people that the two belief systems (Christian vs Islamic eschatology) seem to fit together like a "zipper".
Are you saying then that, for instance, all the appointed times - Sabbaths and feasts - are affirmed in the NT? Will you be observing Pesach, Sukkot, or even Chanukah this year as Y'shua did? Will you be spending Sabbaths in the synagogue as was Y'shua's custom and as Jacob/James enjoined new proselytes to do - so as to learn Moses (Acts 15)?
There is nothing special about the 'I am' above.
I 1473 - from the Greek ego {eg-o'} 1) I, me, my
am 1510 - from the Greek eimi {i-mee'} 1) to be, to exist, to happen, to be present
Those very words are spoken by numerous people throughout the NT and guess what. They weren't God either. Instead of trying to force the text to say something that isn't there, why don't you just accept what the text actually says?
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Is Jesus asking why he forsook himself?
John 14:28 My Father is greater than I.
God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.
Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
Are angels stronger than God? There are two wills spoken of in the above verses. God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.
"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." I Cor 10:12
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of all the requirements of the Law for me and I am forever grateful for his work on my behalf.
bump for later read.
Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
13 "Surely My hand founded the earth,
And My right hand spread out the heavens;
When I call to them, they stand together.
Note: The speaker makes it abundantly clear that He is God Himself.
14 "Assemble, all of you, and listen!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him; he will carry out His good pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm will be against the Chaldeans.
15 "I, even I, have spoken; indeed I have called him,
I have brought him, and He will make his ways successful.
16 "Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there
And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit."
There you have it: Old Testament Trinity... though not understood fully until Jesus revealed Himself. The speaker is God and yet the Lord God sent Him and His Spirit. This theology is affirmed in the Gospel of John:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Thanks
A quick glance at fox martyr son's posting history reveals that his very first post was on the Sabbath.
White grapes - bummer
loved this:
"A. - "I am not a Muslim, so I don´t run that risk. Besides, I haven´t offended against the Koran"
Q. - But you still preferred to use a pseudonym.
A. - "I did that on the advice of Muslim friends who were afraid that some enthusiastic fundamentalist would act of his own initiative, without waiting for a fatwa."
I celebrate the Sabbath everyday!
There is a difference between "celebrating" and "observing" and non-observance carries a penalty.
Exodus 31:14-15
If God turns His back on sinners, then why send His Son at all? He came when we were at our worst. If we believe that God is Love and loves us unconditionally, how can we believe that He would turn His back on us for our sins? We turn our backs to Him when we sin.
The speaker is clearly Isaiah himself.
Many times in the book of Isaiah God speaks though Isaiah then Isaiah speaks as well. The prophet was sent by God, given the power of the Holy Spirit to preach repentance to Israel.
No where in that chapter is the Trinity found. The Trinity is a pagan theology that came from that abomination called the council of Nicea. It has corrupted the true meaning of the Father and his son Jesus.
As to your second quote. The word "Word" is from the Greek Logos.
It means the plan of God. Thus John is telling his readers that the plan of God was with God from the beginning. Thus he goes on and says that the word/logos/plan of salvation for mankind was made flesh with the birth of Jesus.
In addition calling the plan of God, the logos "him" is like calling a table "he".It makes no sense. Thus the true translation of your verses should read
2 It was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through it, and apart from it nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In it was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
After you die, it's not how many sins did you commit but "what did you do with my son, I sent Him to die for your sins, did you accept that or not? "
Um, no. But thank you for the conversation. You are free to believe as you will... God gave us free will. I will not change your mind but I pray the Spirit will in His own time.
May God bless you.
This is a group of Jews who think Jesus is the Messiah.
1. That would make them Christians, like the apostles who believed that Jesus was the Messiah.
2.Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. - tom
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