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To: ArrogantBustard; GCC Catholic; P-Marlowe; xzins; Gamecock; AlbionGirl; HarleyD; wmfights; ...
The clear truth is that GCC Catholic said not once, but twice that indulgences are currently for sale and can be purchased today through the Roman Catholic church.

Call your local parish and offer to buy one. See what they say.

If you disapprove of what your church is doing, then work to change it. Denying the truth only confuses your opposition as well as your adherents.

WHAT IS THE CATHOLIC PRACTICE OF PLENARY INDULGENCES?

"... When a Catholic begins doubting their salvation or feeling guilty about their sinning they simply meet with a priest in private confession, contribute the dollar amount he assesses based upon the type, level, and/or degree of the sin(s), and then the priest prays to God on the person’s behalf which always results in meritorious forgiveness and a full pardon. Throughout life a Catholic can continue to request these sessions as many times as they deem necessary making sure they have more than enough merits to be saved for eternal life.

The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that this sacrament is made possible because God has treasures stored up in heaven called merits, “Treasury of Merits”. Merits consist of the grace accumulated by Christ’s sacrifice and the meritorious deeds of the old saints in heaven. They claim God charges every person a certain amount of “merits” they will need to earn during their lifetime to either be exempt from purgatory after they die or to work their way out of purgatory . Merits are earned by Catholic’s either working for the Lord in service, through purchase, or by a combination of both. But the objective is to have more merits than demerits before death so eternal life in heaven is possible.

Roman Catholic Church professes that Catholic’s can also buy merits for the dead who undoubtedly ended up in Hades/purgatory for lack of enough merits. This, they are told, can help to save the dead ultimately from eternal hell.

Roman Catholic Church doctrine teaches that a Catholic’s effort and performance in service to God through the church will give them the opportunity to be free of sin when they die, thus earning the privilege and right to be justified and sanctified for eternal life in heaven. Only the priest seems to know how much eternal security will cost a person financially.

Protestants are troubled that the Roman Catholic Church is promoting an unbiblical message to Catholic’s by stating that a person can save themselves or the dead by buying their way into heaven or out of Hades thus overlooking sin and repentance. And that through “works based salvation” they can earn the justification needed to be sanctified and saved by Christ. Protestants are also troubled that the Roman Catholic Church stands between God and a parishioner not allowing them to have a personal relationship with Christ.

The majority of Protestants firmly believe and desire that Catholic’s will come to understand and believe that it is , “ …by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not the result of works, so that no one may boast (Ephesians 2.8-9). Christ earned all the merits needed for His children to be justified and to be given the gift of sanctification and an eternal life of peace and joy with Him, all for His glory.


104 posted on 01/29/2007 12:41:37 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Your link is NOT to a site which has anything to do with the Catholic Church. Indeed, it is an anti-Catholic site.

Try again ... that sort of drivel doesn't impress me much.

Hint: www DOT vatican DOT va

111 posted on 01/29/2007 12:48:02 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The clear truth is that GCC Catholic said not once, but twice that indulgences are currently for sale

That is a false statement. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

118 posted on 01/29/2007 12:50:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan
The clear truth is that GCC Catholic said not once, but twice that indulgences are currently for sale and can be purchased today through the Roman Catholic church.

No, what I said is that at times it costs money to travel to obtain them, but that there are plenty that can be obtained from home, for absolutely nothing.

Now, so that it is perfectly clear to you and everyone else reading, and so that my own reputation is not tarnished by your misconstruals:

YOU CANNOT BUY INDULGENCES FROM THE CHURCH

And yes blue-duncan, I am doing my work... there is multitasking...

125 posted on 01/29/2007 12:56:44 PM PST by GCC Catholic
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"... When a Catholic begins doubting their salvation or feeling guilty about their sinning they simply meet with a priest in private confession, contribute the dollar amount he assesses based upon the type, level, and/or degree of the sin(s), and then the priest prays to God on the person’s behalf which always results in meritorious forgiveness and a full pardon. Throughout life a Catholic can continue to request these sessions as many times as they deem necessary making sure they have more than enough merits to be saved for eternal life. The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that this sacrament is made possible because God has treasures stored up in heaven called merits, “Treasury of Merits”. Merits consist of the grace accumulated by Christ’s sacrifice and the meritorious deeds of the old saints in heaven. They claim God charges every person a certain amount of “merits” they will need to earn during their lifetime to either be exempt from purgatory after they die or to work their way out of purgatory . Merits are earned by Catholic’s either working for the Lord in service, through purchase, or by a combination of both. But the objective is to have more merits than demerits before death so eternal life in heaven is possible........

This is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. It made me laugh even though there is a burst water pipe in my house. I thought it was from The Onion....

392 posted on 01/29/2007 10:11:28 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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