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You Tell Us: Does Rome Provide Infallible Certainty About the Gospel?
Alpha and Omega Ministries ^ | James White

Posted on 02/13/2007 1:16:39 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: redgolum

What the heck is LCMS?


61 posted on 02/14/2007 6:55:59 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.


62 posted on 02/14/2007 6:59:40 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Is your wife Catholic?


63 posted on 02/14/2007 7:00:25 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

Yes she is.


64 posted on 02/14/2007 7:02:18 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

GOOD! Do you go to Mass with her?


65 posted on 02/14/2007 7:03:18 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

We split Sundays (during Lent I go over lunch on Wed).


66 posted on 02/14/2007 7:04:16 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Lunch on Weds???? What??


67 posted on 02/14/2007 7:05:48 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: murphE

>>"15)Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true."
>>Condemned<<

Certainly, you do not think this contradicts with what I wrote, do you? This condemned notion would state that it would be perfectly fine for a man to profess any religion, even though he be aware of the faith of the Catholic Church, so long as his own reason says it is true.

>>"16)Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation."
>>Condemned<<

Likewise, I stated that "Muslims who are devout in their faith (who are quite a different bunch than the death cult) demonstrate a spiritual longing which IS part of the plan of salvation. The lies of Islam, however, are not. " Islam will NOT save anyone; faithful observance of it may demonstrate a spiritual longing to start a journey; it is not the arrival of the journey.

>>"18)Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church."
>>Condemned<<

Protestantism is "substantially defective." Whereas the proper reception of the sacraments is a guaranteur of salvation (and this includes contrition, reconciliation and penance before reception of the eucharist), the Protestant has nothing but baptismal graces to shield him from mortal sin.

>> "17)Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ."
>>Condemned <<

This is a condemnation of universalism, the hope that "hell may be empty." I was referring to holding out hope that any one person may be saved in spite of not hearing the good news. If I failed to make that distinction, I regret it.


68 posted on 02/14/2007 7:09:08 AM PST by dangus
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To: Suzy Quzy; xzins; P-Marlowe; Quix
How in the heck would I know by your TAGLINE that you are a Presbyterian?

Now look at who's being snippy! LOL!

If you read my post again you would see I said a clue, not a specific denominational membership. See the words "reformata" and "reformanda"? They refer to the Reformed confession. That would narrow me down to a few denominations.

Is this Alpha and Omega site that you posted also Presbyterian?

No. It is a Christian website from a Reformed brother, I believe of a Baptist confession. I learn much from many of my Christian brothers, regardless of their denominational affiliation.

69 posted on 02/14/2007 7:11:20 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock

To be perfectly honest, I know NOTHING about Protestant denominations, nor do I care to. I am grateful to God for me being a Catholic because I have NO doubts about my religion.....it has ALL the answers.


70 posted on 02/14/2007 7:14:32 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Gamecock

No. It is a Christian website from a Reformed brother, I believe of a Baptist confession. I learn much from many of my Christian brothers, regardless of their denominational affiliation.

= = =

And that is impressive.


71 posted on 02/14/2007 7:15:21 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I am grateful I have no doubt about my Savior. He is the key to eternal life.


72 posted on 02/14/2007 7:18:09 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Suzy Quzy
We have Lenten services on Wednesdays. My congregation here also has a service over the noon hour to accommodate those who work shifts or can't make it at night.

I think that the Catholic church used to do that (at least in Nebraska), but my wife never heard of Wed. Lenten services before we got married.

73 posted on 02/14/2007 7:18:38 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum; kawaii
Sounds like you are getting blizzard like conditions.

We are getting mainly ice right now, and maybe a few inches of snow later on, but it was enough to close down my college :-)

Err, I asked my mom once, "Why cant we get a snow blower", and she replied, "Why do you think I had 2 boys". Just cant win...
74 posted on 02/14/2007 7:29:18 AM PST by Theoden ("Christianus ille Victor")
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To: Gamecock

Basically, thus: God kicked two angels out of Heaven. A priest announces an indulgence for anyone who enters a new church, that all their sins will be forgiven and that they can go to Heaven. By receiving this indulgence, and therefore restoring their souls, the angels could reenter heaven, proving that God is not perfect. If God isn't perfect, the whole universe becomes unraveled.

Now... keeping in mind that it's a work of fiction and therefore cannot be expected to have *anyone's* doctrine right, the point of the movie is that one must be very, very careful about putting words in God's mouth. If anyone (or any group of people) claim to be the mouthpiece of God, you'd better be right -- or you lose any validity to your claim.


75 posted on 02/14/2007 7:42:01 AM PST by Terabitten (How is there no anger in the words I hear, only love and mercy, erasing every fear" - Rez Band)
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To: Gamecock
I am a member of the Presbyterian Church In America

Not to be confused with the Presbyterian Church USA, the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, the Cumberland Presbyterian Church or any other Presbyterian offshoot.

Cool.

76 posted on 02/14/2007 7:44:36 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
And your point is? The PCA, OPC, EPC, Bible Pres all broke off of the PCUSA at various times because of liberalism. I would think that is a good thing.

The PCA has already merged with the Reformed Presbyterian Church, Evangelical Synod in 1982. There have been frequent talks of unification of the OPC and the PCA. In the meantime our pastors and members can move between the above as well as the EPC in a seamless manner. Our pastors, as well of those in several other reformed confessions study at the same seminaries, share other resources and missional efforts.

My point? The conservative Reformed Confessions of the Christian faith are not as far apart as you would have the casual reader believe. In fact I would say we are closer than some dioceses and Catholic orders.

77 posted on 02/14/2007 7:59:03 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: marshmallow

Are you serious? There are all those denominations in the Presbyterian Church? Did not know that. Was this the Church started by John Knox?


78 posted on 02/14/2007 8:02:04 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy
Best I can figure there are 10 or 11 churches that have the name Presbyterian in their title. That doesn't mean they hold to the Westminster Confession of Faith. Those use the name Presbyterian to describe their form of Church government.

That being said, a cursory Google search makes it obvious that there are more Catholic churches than Presbyterian.

79 posted on 02/14/2007 8:16:31 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Suzy Quzy
I thought that was Fort Knox?
80 posted on 02/14/2007 8:20:25 AM PST by marshmallow
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