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To: BlackElk
You know what's funny? You and the other cafeteria Catholics would be falling all over yourselves to support Cardinal Hoyos if he had said the Society is in schism. You preach the authority of the Magisterium but only obey them when they tell you what you want to hear.

And you call us disobedient.

Hypocrites.

P.S. Pope JPII's decree was not infallible. Your continued ranting won't ever change that fact.

94 posted on 05/15/2007 11:56:43 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (tired of voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
We actually Traditionalist actual Catholics follow Pope John Paul the Great and Pope Benedict XVI on the matter of the excommunications of the SSPX schismatics. Papal rulings are part of the Teaching Magisterium as Dario Cardinal Castrillon de Hoyos's flimsy speculations against papal authority are not.

I would certainly applaud Dario Cardinal Castrillon de Hoyos IF he were in the habt of recognizing the obvious truth (Ecclesia Dei) that the schism is NOT Catholic, its leaders are excommunicated and its movement and adherents are in schism. I applaud any hierarch who is doing his job. Castrillon de Hoyos is giving ongoing aid and comfort to the enemies of Catholicism. That is NOT his job.

We call the SSPX schismatics and particularly the SSPX excommunicati what they are: schismatics and schismatic excommunicati. We do not pretend that the pseudo-rightist rebels of SSPX are Catholics any more than we would pretend that SSPX's counterparts in angry disobedience of Church authority such as John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Rosa DeLauro and other leftist rebels ought to be the beneficiaries of any pretense of Catholicism. Actual Catholics are consistent Catholics, in obedience to the pope. The moment that Pope Benedict XVI or any other pope overrules Ecclesia Dei and readmits the SSPX schismatics and SSPX schismatic excommunicati to Holy Mother the Church is the moment that I will regard them as Catholics and not one moment sooner.

Speaking of hypocrites, O devotee of and apologist for the SSPX schism, tell us all the things you love about Walter Cardinal Kaspar (no less a curial cardinal than Castrillon de Hoyos and no more authoritative which is to say that neither have genuine authority in the sense that any pope does). Castrillon de Hoyos need express no opinion conflicting with that of John Paul the Great or Benedict XVI. Luther's insistence against the Truth of the Faith had no authority. Neither does the insistence on error of Dario Cardinal Castrillon de Hoyos or Walter Cardinal Kaspar. You wouldn't have a reference to an authoritative Church document indicating the infallibility of each individual cardinal? I didn't think so.

Yes, I call you disobedient. I call SSPX disobedient. I call the Archschismatic Lefebvre disobedient along with each of his execrable and unrepentant illicit bishops and their squad of antiCatholic sycophants. There is a reason. The best reason. Each and every one is an ecclesiastical criminal guilty of grand theft ecclesiastical. Each and every one is grossly disobedient. That is not my judgment but the judgment of Pope John Paul the Great (the one who held the keys when Lefebvre and company were excommunicating themselves and the pope was declaring the SSPX schizzies to be, well, schismatic).

What makes John Paul the Great fallible on this matter and makes him subject to being overruled by the subordinate likes of Dario Cardinal Castrillon de Hoyos? Your tastes and preferences? Certainly not ecclesiastical authority. Face it. If ever there were an "adherent" to the SSPX schism, you would seem to qualify and that means that you should not feign Catholicism before the general public, thereby scandalizing them, another regular feature of the schism.

Membership in the Roman Catholic Church is not a dress-up or costume party or a "come as you are" party. Instead, it is a submission to papal authority thing. Those expelled who remain unrepentant have no opinions worthy of consideration by actual Catholics. Kumbaya is a really bad idea when extended to enemies of the Church of any stripe much less those who pretend to be Catholic while remaining in enmity towards the Church whether Hans Kung or Marcel LeFebvre (or de Mallerais, or Williamson or Fellay).

95 posted on 05/15/2007 1:09:26 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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