The ABSOLUTE Primacy of Christ

Irish-Catholic and Dangerous ^ | April 12, 2007 | Danny Garland, Jr.

[fr maximilian mary]

Ave Maria!

Really, it's not a personal crusade. Popes and Saints alike (not to mention Cardinals and Theologians)have called her Mediatrix and Coredemptrix. Cardinal Toppo with 4 other Cardinals and 50 Bishops recently put the accent on the Virgin Mary as Spiritual Mother. Vox Populi Maria Mediatrici, in particular Dr. Mark Miravalle, explain the titles with an emphasis on her maternal role: Coredemptrix—the Mother suffering, viz. the fruitful birth pangs in bringing forth the Church with and under her Crucified Son; Mediatrix—the Mother nourishing her children; Advocate—the Mother pleading their cause. So Danny is summing it all up with the title "Mother of All Peoples". But quite aside from any private revelation, she has always been considered our spiritual Mother. At any rate, for more on this topic see the pings I posted above to the other thread.

God bless...

[OLD REGGIE]

May we quote you on that? Various RCs on the forum dispute this claim when Protestants make the same statement.

You could quote the Catechism Of The Catholic Church.

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

[fr maximilian mary]

Then let’s talk about the primacy of Christ and bow down and worship Him! This thread is not about “Mary worship”, but about Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever. Amen.

God bless...

[pjr12345]

You could quote the Catechism Of The Catholic Church.

I think I've solved my dilemma

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1848046/posts?page=522#522

Hows 'bout we call it the heathen catholic church?

[1000 silverlings]

We can see from recent research that Mary, by offering up Christ as “the sacrificial victim” has actually usurped the role of the Father in the Plan of Salvation. Where they go from there.. why to the moon I guess Alice

[1000 silverlings]

Since Mary is credited with 'giving' Christ for the sacrifice, doesn't this make her equal to the Father (Jn.3:16)?

My thoughts exactly. Not only is she the mother of God, she is God. They should just admit it

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Thanks for that info from the RCC catechism. It's difficult to keep up with all the changing perspectives -- spoken, written, preached. It's never clear what Rome means at any given time.

Now we're told there's a significant difference in meaning between the words, doctrine and dogma. As was explained to me yesterday...

Posted by Danny Garland Jr. to Dr. Eckleburg
On Religion 06/13/2007 8:22:30 PM PDT · 61 of 84

"It seems many people are confusing the terms "doctrine" and "dogma." Our Lady's maternal mediation (Mother of All Peoples with its three aspects) is an official doctrine of the Church. It is not yet a dogma. It is valid to debate whether it should or should not be a dogma, but one cannot debate whether it is already a doctrine of the Catholic Church."

I looked up "dogma" in the dictionary and the first definition of dogma is..."doctrine!" (exclamation point mine)

Likewise, under the entry for doctrine, it says -- SYNONYM: dogma.

According to the dictionary it seems the words have the exact same meaning, dogma having a Greek etymology while doctrine is derived from Latin.

I think this comes under the heading of "conveniently fabricated loophole."

[1000 silverlings]

Mary "immolated" Christ? What in the world does that mean?

sacrificed Him

[1000 silverlings]

or “look over there!”, lol

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"Immolate" means "to sacrifice; to kill as a sacrifice."

So now we have the RCC asserting Mary sacrificed Jesus rather than God Almighty sacrificed Jesus.

I do not believe these words are chosen carelessly by the RCC. They know exactly what they're teaching. And it is blasphemy.

[1000 silverlings]

Yes, Mary has the power, Jesus is “the sacrificial victim”, ie powerless

[1000 silverlings]

And it looks like “the church” in uniting with Mary, has the power

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Not only is she the mother of God, she is God. They should just admit it

lol.

If "doctrine" and "dogma" can mean different things in the RCC, then so can the words, "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God" (Deut. 5:9).

It's just a matter of time and semantics.

[1000 silverlings]

The people “join with Mary”, so they’re all God now and every mass they take the Lord and offer Him up. It’s black arts, baby

[Danny Garland Jr.]

It is Christ who does the offering. Christ is both priest and victim. No other priest could offer such an offering, save the perfect Great High Priest that is Christ (cf. the Epistle to the Hebrews). Mary takes part in the offering by consenting to the immolation of her Son. She does not become God nor does she take God’s place. She is allowed to participate in this sacrifice by and through the power of Christ.

Christ is the Great High Priest who was predestined before all the world regardless of sin, who offers up the everlasting sacrifice of His Body and Blood at each Mass. We don’t offer Christ up at Mass, Christ offers Himself up continuously at the Mass through the priests who represent Him and who are empowered by Him.

I agree with Fr. Maximilian that we should return to the topic of this post, namely the eternal predestination of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, rather than bashing false assumptions of what the Catholic Church believes.

God Bless.

[pjr12345]

In any case, that dog(ma) don’t hunt.

[pjr12345]

Is your claim based on doctrine, dogma, or tradition? It sure isn’t based on Scripture.

[fortheDeclaration]

Thanks for that info from the RCC catechism. It's difficult to keep up with all the changing perspectives -- spoken, written, preached. It's never clear what Rome means at any given time.

Jesuit double-speak

[1000 silverlings]

Christ is first and foremost, not a victim. That alone is unbiblical. Christ does not "do the offering," as that too flies in the face of scripture and is unbiblical, as Hebrews states, He made one offering, one time, one time only, for that was all that was needed. To assert that He must be sacrificed forever is unscriptual as well as theologically un-Christian

Mary can consent to nothing, that too is unbiblical and usurps God the Father's role in the Plan of Salvation, contradicts Jesus, and is a manmade concept

All these posts have relevance to all that is being discussed, and it is biblical to let the light shine in on dark matters.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

so they're all God now and every mass they take the Lord and offer Him up.

Exactly!

It comes down to the difference between imputed righteousness (Christ's righteous saves us) and infused righteousness (Christ's righteousness becomes us.)

The former is Scriptural; the latter is occultic. We do not become God. Till our death we remain human beings still not perfect, still susceptible to our sin nature.

However, as believing Christians redeemed by His blood, we are acquitted of those sins and judged blameless bfore God by His work on the cross.

"I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ." -- 1 Corinthians 1:4-8

The following essay could be posted as a thread...

JUSTIFICATION
the Article by which the Church Stands or Falls.