[Danny Garland Jr.]

It is Christ who does the offering. Christ is both priest and victim. No other priest could offer such an offering, save the perfect Great High Priest that is Christ (cf. the Epistle to the Hebrews). Mary takes part in the offering by consenting to the immolation of her Son. She does not become God nor does she take God’s place. She is allowed to participate in this sacrifice by and through the power of Christ.

Christ is the Great High Priest who was predestined before all the world regardless of sin, who offers up the everlasting sacrifice of His Body and Blood at each Mass. We don’t offer Christ up at Mass, Christ offers Himself up continuously at the Mass through the priests who represent Him and who are empowered by Him.

I agree with Fr. Maximilian that we should return to the topic of this post, namely the eternal predestination of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, rather than bashing false assumptions of what the Catholic Church believes.

God Bless.

[pjr12345]

Is your claim based on doctrine, dogma, or tradition? It sure isn’t based on Scripture.

[1000 silverlings]

Christ is first and foremost, not a victim. That alone is unbiblical. Christ does not "do the offering," as that too flies in the face of scripture and is unbiblical, as Hebrews states, He made one offering, one time, one time only, for that was all that was needed. To assert that He must be sacrificed forever is unscriptual as well as theologically un-Christian

Mary can consent to nothing, that too is unbiblical and usurps God the Father's role in the Plan of Salvation, contradicts Jesus, and is a manmade concept

All these posts have relevance to all that is being discussed, and it is biblical to let the light shine in on dark matters.

[blue-duncan]

“Mary takes part in the offering by consenting to the immolation of her Son.”

How does Mary consent to the “immolation” of her son when His death is not revealed until well into His ministry and then, it is revealed to the disciples? When it was told to her that she would conceive all that was revealed was that Jesus would be King.

[1000 silverlings]

We don’t offer Christ up at Mass, Christ offers Himself up continuously at the Mass through the priests who represent Him and who are empowered by Him.

Well I have just read Pius xii on the subject and it's his opinion that you do. Mary has power over Christ and offers up the divine victim. The church participates in the offering.

For a thread on the "primacy" of Christ, there appears to be little support for your view. All I come away with, after reading the topics, and then doing research, is that it appears in Catholic theology that Christ has little power, why He couldn't even save anyone atthe cross apparently, other than those who were physically there at the time. Now, all down thru the ages, one must be at a re-enactment of this event in orderto be saved.

And deny it if you must, but Mary is the one represented with the power. If Christ was who He said He was, and did what He came to do, then His work was accomplished, and He is resurrected to glory. If He did not do what He came to do, then He was an imposter. Which is it?