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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“She has nothing to do with our salvation.”

Oh, really? Who was it then that gave the Incarnate Christ his body? Who was it who said “Yes” to the angel and accepted the reponsibility of being the Mother of God?

Mary takes part in the offering of Christ because Christ willed it. He didn’t need Mary to become Incarnate, yet He chose her to be His Mother and to participate in the act of redemption. Christ could have been sacrificed for our sins without Mary, but He chose to have Mary involved.

To answer Blue-Duncan, see Luke 2:34-35 and also see the Crucifixion accounts where Mary is at the foot of the Cross praying for her Son and Luke 2:34-35 is fulfilled. Mary pondered in her heart the things told to her while Christ was still a child. If Mary didn’t have an idea of what was to be expected of her from the Angel, her “fiat” would not have been valid.

Once again, this post isn’t about Mary. It is about the primacy of Christ. It would be nice to start talking about that instead of misrepresenting the teachings of the Church on Mary.

God Bless.


114 posted on 06/14/2007 3:48:47 PM PDT by Danny Garland Jr. (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: Danny Garland Jr.
It appears that the Holy Spirit was working on the same insight in both of us at the same time--within seconds!

"And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and cried out with a loud voice saying, 'Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb!'" (Luke 1:42).

Come Holy Spirit!

115 posted on 06/14/2007 3:54:10 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Danny Garland Jr.
Oh, really? Who was it then that gave the Incarnate Christ his body? Who was it who said “Yes” to the angel and accepted the reponsibility of being the Mother of God?

By your logic, we should hunt down the mother of Saddam Hussein and execute her, too.

119 posted on 06/14/2007 4:39:21 PM PDT by pjr12345 (O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Romans 7:24)
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To: Danny Garland Jr.; Dr. Eckleburg

“see the Crucifixion accounts where Mary is at the foot of the Cross praying for her Son”

There is absolutely no scripture to support your statement that Mary is praying at the foot of the cross. Mary is listed as a spectator to the crucifixion along with many women followers of Jesus.

Luke 2:34-35, “And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”

There is nothing in that scripture that would lead a teenager, as Mary was, to believe Jesus would be crucified for the sins of the people. Jews were looking for a political messiah, a king, not a suffering savior. Even the disciples who were with Him during His ministry, up to the end did not understand He had to die. What Mary was told by shepherds and angels was that she would bare a King. That’s what she pondered for that’s all that was told to her.

What Gabriel announced to Mary was that she would conceive and bear a Son, the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy. He did not ask if she wanted the job, he said she would conceive. It was a fact, determined before the foundation of the world that she would conceive. Her only question was how it was going to be accomplished and when that was explained to her, she was satisfied.

“If Mary didn’t have an idea of what was to be expected of her from the Angel, her “fiat” would not have been valid.”

The only thing Mary understood from the angel was that she would bear a man child, the Son of God, that was her “fiat”, her decree.


133 posted on 06/14/2007 8:09:18 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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