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Pope Meets With Chrysosotomos II (Orthodox Leader Calls It "Step Forward" to Unity)
Zenit ^ | June 19, 2007

Posted on 06/20/2007 6:29:02 PM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY, JUNE 19, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI met with representatives from the Orthodox Church in Cyprus, a meeting that may pave the way for an encounter between the Pope and Russian Patriarch Alexy II.

In the Vatican on Saturday, Benedict XVI met with Chrysostomos II, archbishop of New Justiniana and All Cyprus, and other representatives of the Orthodox Church in Cyprus.

After this meeting with the Holy Father, Archbishop Chrysostomos II will discuss with Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia the possibility of future collaboration between the Orthodox and Catholic Churches, and perhaps a meeting with the Pope.

In an interview with the Italian newspaper L'Expresso, the Orthodox archbishop explained that he and Alexy II are good friends, and that he is doing all he can to foster the meeting.

Joint declaration

Benedict XVI and Archbishop Chrysostomos II also signed a joint agreement promoting collaboration, especially on questions of bioethics.

The document explained: "At a time of growing secularization and relativism, Catholics and Orthodox in Europe are called to offer renewed witness on ethical values, ready to give an explanation of their faith in Jesus Christ, lord and savior.

"There is the risk that certain techniques applied to genetics, conceived intentionally to meet legitimate needs, in fact take away man's dignity, created in the image of God."

The document denounces "tragic daily problems" caused by more than 30 years of the separation of Cyprus caused by Turkish occupation, which began in the summer of 1974, and calls for peace in the Middle East.

Dialogue of truth

In a conversation with journalists, the archbishop said that great strides in reconciliation between Catholics and Orthodox could be made with Benedict XVI, because he is a "wise" theologian who knows Orthodox theology in depth.

"We are convinced that he wants the unity of the Churches. And if one knows the problems in detail, as in his case, it is easier to find solutions," Archbishop Chrysostomos II explained.

The Orthodox archbishop noted that 1,000 years of separation cannot be overcome in a day. But, in the last 40 years, he said, "we have begun a dialogue of charity, and now we move on to theological dialogue, which is that of truth."

"It is not easy to resolve problems. We need time," he said. "But dialogue is an important step forward and now we can move on to respond to Jesus' commandment for unity. Each time we meet, we make one more step forward."

The archbishop stated that during their meeting, the Pope confirmed his desire to visit Cyprus, though no date was set.

Archbishop Chrysostomos II concluded, "For us, it will be a great blessing."


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: catholic; chrysostomos; orthodox; popebenedict

1 posted on 06/20/2007 6:29:06 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Catholic / Orthodox ping!


2 posted on 06/20/2007 6:31:18 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: kronos77

Ping!


3 posted on 06/20/2007 6:40:20 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

there’s going to have to be a meaty announcement if there is a meeting, and it likely wont be in Russia.

the rocor mp union is fresh enough that Alexy won’t risk a mass exodus on account of a meeting with the pope.

i am ecumenical in many rocor eyes... ponder that.


4 posted on 06/20/2007 7:54:18 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: NYer

Why is it the Russian Church feels it speaks for all of Orthodoxy? That’s the position of the EP.


5 posted on 06/20/2007 11:10:38 PM PDT by frtom
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To: frtom

Russia has long regarded itself as the “Third Rome,” although of course the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily agree. This began with the fall of Constantinople and has had some currency among Russians for centuries, although it later was connected more with the Russian secular political situation than with anything religious. However, I think that, in addition to working out its relationship with the Catholic Church, the Russian church is now trying to resolve its relationship with (a) the various factions within it and (b) the MP.

As for this meeting with the Pope, it’s an excellent sign, regardless of the internal dynamics, because the Russians used to be extremely hostile to such a possibility and were much more negative than the Greeks or others.


6 posted on 06/21/2007 3:39:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Great news! I am impressed by the way the Cypriots are working at this.


7 posted on 06/21/2007 3:41:06 AM PDT by livius
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To: NYer
The document explained: "At a time of growing secularization and relativism, Catholics and Orthodox in Europe

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NYer, it's wonderful to see your name at the top of a thread again. :)

Why is it that "Catholic" and "Orthodox" are used? Why not Catholics, Orthodox and Roman?

8 posted on 06/21/2007 4:35:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
Glad to see you up and around so quickly. Here is my favorite photo of B16.

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

9 posted on 06/21/2007 4:39:51 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware; NYer
This one is kind of neat, too.


10 posted on 06/21/2007 4:47:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Oh yes, I like that one too.


11 posted on 06/21/2007 4:48:20 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: NYer; crazykatz; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; newberger; The_Reader_David; jb6; ...

Catholic/Orthodox ping.


12 posted on 06/21/2007 5:25:30 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer
The Orthodox archbishop noted that 1,000 years of separation cannot be overcome in a day. But, in the last 40 years, he said, "we have begun a dialogue of charity, and now we move on to theological dialogue, which is that of truth."

"It is not easy to resolve problems. We need time," he said. "But dialogue is an important step forward and now we can move on to respond to Jesus' commandment for unity. Each time we meet, we make one more step forward."

Wonderful!

Pray for unity.

John 17:20-22

"I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one."

I learned from the fall of the Berlin Wall that nothing is impossible.
13 posted on 06/21/2007 5:38:56 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: mware
I believe this is Archbishop Chrysostomos II:

What a beautiful church.

14 posted on 06/21/2007 5:50:56 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: frtom

“Why is it the Russian Church feels it speaks for all of Orthodoxy? That’s the position of the EP.”

Actually it is the position of neither the Patriarch of Moscow or of the Patriarch of Constantinople. The Patriarch of Constantinople is just the First among Equals. He cannot speak “ex cathedra” for other autocephalis Orthodox Churches. Neither can the MP.

However the MP is correct when he points out that a decision towards union with Catholocism, taken unilaterally by the Patriarch of Constantinople is not binding on any other Orthodox Church.


15 posted on 06/21/2007 6:19:27 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: kawaii

I am ROCOR, and I can assure you, Unity is what ALL of us want, but not at the expense of truth.


16 posted on 06/21/2007 6:24:17 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: livius; frtom; kawaii; Kolokotronis
Russia has long regarded itself as the “Third Rome,” although of course the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily agree...although it later was connected more with the Russian secular political situation than with anything religious

Livius, Constantinople was elevated above more ancient Churches of Alexandria and Antioch for political reasons, and even (older) Rome itself became the Holy See (rather than Antioch) for the same reason.

There is nothing in the Bible that identifies the city of Rome as the Christian "Mecca." It became that because it was the imperial capital. The proceedings from the Third and Fourth Ecumenical Councils make that very clear.

Moscow has every right to consider itself the Third Rome given that the EP is a virtual prisoner of a Muslim state, a relic of history. The MP, on the other hand, has over 80% of world's 300 million Orthodox in his fold. Even more when one adds other Slavic Orthodox Churches (Serbian, Ukrainian, etc.) which would very likely side with Moscow, politicis notwithstanding, because the laity would.

Any reunion with Orthodox without Moscow would be utterly meaningless; in fact it would be a new round of creating a new "uniate" controversy, drawing perhaps 10% of the current orthodox fold and destroying any chance of reunion for ages to come.

I am confident that any reunion will include the Orthodox Church as a whole, with all its Patriarchs and Metropolitans standing united.

As far as the West is concerned, they must show historical and synodal respect for the seniority of Constantinople, but one must be very careful not to marginalize the vast majority of the Orthodox world, especially if such marginalization is based on not much more than sheer prejudice vis a vis Moscow.

17 posted on 06/21/2007 6:25:54 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: No Truce With Kings

I would trust the MP before I would the EP.
The EP is Jesuit-educated, and would throw out the “baby with the bath water”.........


18 posted on 06/21/2007 6:26:55 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: trisham

Is that the Pope praying in St. Peter’s? Such beuty!


19 posted on 06/21/2007 6:29:17 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Oh, I agree. The participation of Moscow is essential, and it is true that there are understandable historic reasons for Moscow’s proclamation of itself as the “Third Rome.” I think that a lot of the historical hard feelings between the different Orthodox churches are now being resolved, by the Holy Spirit and the good will of all involved, and that the future will be quite different (and a lot better!).


20 posted on 06/21/2007 6:46:41 AM PDT by livius
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To: trisham
I believe this is Archbishop Chrysostomos II

Actually, it is Archbishop Hilarion (of Australia) of ROCOR.

I believe (but am not positive) this photo was taken in Moscow (or elsewhere in Russia, perhaps Butovo) when the Act of Canonical Communion was signed. The icon behind him is that of the New Martyrs of Russia.

21 posted on 06/21/2007 6:51:45 AM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: NYer

Thanks for the ping and I hope that is real step forward and not just a polite figure of speach...


22 posted on 06/21/2007 7:10:39 AM PDT by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: TexConfederate1861

i’ve met a bunch (not a lot but not an insignifigant number) of rocor folks who would think alexy ii even TALKING to the Pope is some sort of heresey.

that said a lot of these are the hardliners who are anti-mp-rocor union though many of whom i know only online and whom i suspect are actually hocna folks passing themselves off as rocor folks...


23 posted on 06/21/2007 8:19:29 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kosta50

Even though the Communists attempted to kill Christianity forever in the relatively short period of time they held sway, without the Russian Church, the savagery of the hundreds of years of assault on Christianity by Islam would have resulted in a far more horror filled world today...a world of islamic hell.


24 posted on 06/21/2007 8:23:09 AM PDT by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: kosta50

It’s the St. Rufino Cathedral in Assisi. :)


25 posted on 06/21/2007 8:27:48 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blinachka
I believe you are right.

Let me try again:

Hopefully, the gentleman on the left is Archbishop Chrysostomos II. :)

26 posted on 06/21/2007 8:33:20 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Thak you. Truly beautiful. Beuty reflects God. Our churches and our liturgies should be as beautiful as human minds and hands and voices can make. Utilitarian, Protestant-like prayer barns that some people call “churches” should be de-constructed and rebuilt in love and beauty that inspire awe, just as God should.


27 posted on 06/21/2007 10:01:10 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: eleni121
without the Russian Church, the savagery of the hundreds of years of assault on Christianity by Islam would have resulted in a far more horror filled world today...a world of islamic hell.

The life of the Church during 80 years of communism in Russia was hell on earth. The very fact that the Church and faith survived in spite of everything is a testament unto itself.

28 posted on 06/21/2007 10:03:14 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
I just read on a Russian news web site that Russian Patriarch is NOT planning to meet with the Pope until he "disavows the taking of Russian Orthodox churches in the Ukraine".

Think that will happen... when hell frosts over maybe???

29 posted on 06/21/2007 10:38:51 AM PDT by Lion in Winter (Some Stroke victems learn to type AGAIN... that would be ME)
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To: trisham
Hopefully, the gentleman on the left is Archbishop Chrysostomos II.

I believe you are right this time. I am certain the other photo is of Archbishop Hilarion as my family knows him rather well. He served at our church (Synod Cathedral on Park Avenue) for many years before going to Australia! :)

30 posted on 06/21/2007 11:19:58 AM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: blinachka

Whew! I was hoping to get it right eventually! :)


31 posted on 06/21/2007 11:26:55 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mware

That’s a beauty! Normally the msm photogs promote the goofy pictures of B16. I like that one.


32 posted on 06/21/2007 1:17:14 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Lion in Winter

Care to share that website address with us? I read Russian. Thank you.


33 posted on 06/21/2007 1:19:07 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: NYer

Yes it must have been a very cold day because he was wearing two cloaks.


34 posted on 06/21/2007 1:20:48 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: kosta50

i never posted this as i didn’t want to get into an argument over it but it came out the same day...

19 June 2007, 14:36
Metropolitan Kirill denies rumors of Patriarch’s early meeting with Pope

Moscow, June 19, Interfax - Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad has denied rumors of Russian Patriarch Alexy II’s early meeting with Pope Benedict XVI.

“It’s difficult to say who circulated these rumors - perhaps someone who wants to keep them rolling,” Metropolitan Kirill, the head of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations, told the press in Moscow on Tuesday.

Metropolitan Kirill also said that the Russian Orthodox Church remains in permanent dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church, discussing important issues with it.

“But Pope Benedict’s visit to Moscow is not on the agenda right now,” he said.

The Russian church “has never said that a meeting between the Patriarch and the Pope is impossible,” he said. “But all of these important events in inter-church relations must be preceded by serious work and we are busy doing it,” he said.

“Someone has probably gotten ahead of events,” Metropolitan Kirill said.


35 posted on 06/21/2007 1:22:39 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii; Lion in Winter; All
i never posted this as i didn’t want to get into an argument over it but it came out the same day...

First, what's the source? Second Met. Kirill is denying that an early meeting is imminent. We know that! If people read before they jumped to conclusions, they would have also known that Met. Chrysotomos II was talking about long-term planning first, and then he spoke Patriarch Alexey II to meet the Pope in Cyprus and not in Moscow. So, of course, the meeting is neither imminent nor in Moscow. Duh!

Furthermore, Met. Kirill did not say it would not happen; rather, he even assured them that it's not impossible – which is a roundabout way of saying it's possible.

He merely said that one must prepare for such an event (which is the same thing Met. Chrysostomos II said) and that they are "busy doing it."

This story also has no semblance of any kind with the story by Lion in Winter that the meeting will not take place until the Pope "disavows the take of Orthodox churches in the Ukraine."

Where do these people come up with these things? I really wonder about the maturity, reading level ability and thinking capacity of people who spread rumors. Not to talk about their motives.

36 posted on 06/21/2007 1:50:16 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

the source is interfax (its in the article).


37 posted on 06/21/2007 1:59:47 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii

So, they are saying that the idea of an “early meeting” is out? Wonder what they mean by that? Sounds like they’ll be going to the scheduled meeting instead.


38 posted on 06/21/2007 4:06:33 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Kolokotronis

Interesting news.

Wonder what will come of it.


39 posted on 06/21/2007 7:26:53 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer
I hate to tell you but while it gives a goodie-good feeling all over, it will not work. Both the Catholic Pope and the Orthodox Patriarch will not give up on the leadership reigns. It's not the head of the churches will will succeed with the unity, it's the Christian worshipers who have the power to do so.
40 posted on 06/21/2007 7:30:27 PM PDT by rxgalfl
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To: FormerLib

my impression of ‘early meeting’ was anything before the latins renounce proselytism...


41 posted on 06/22/2007 5:40:31 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: rxgalfl
...and the Orthodox Patriarch...

Which Orthodox Patriarch did you mean? There are more than a few, you know.

42 posted on 06/22/2007 5:42:57 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib
...and the Orthodox PatriarchS... Sorry, missed the plural...
43 posted on 06/22/2007 3:58:14 PM PDT by rxgalfl
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