Posted on 06/28/2007 4:36:20 AM PDT by monkapotamus
The Pope doesn’t really pick bishops, he just rubber stamps the selections of the region. That’s why we get bishops who are in opposition to the Pope.
So, people can see abuses that happen on the Internet? Is that going to stop the abuses? Any parishioner who complains about abuses just needs to be disinvited.
Any parishioner who complains about abuses just needs to be disinvited.
Last I checked, we're talking about Catholics, not Protestants. The bishops are the only ones who can 'disinvite' in any sense and even that is only through excommunication.
They don’t like to excommunicate now, and in some cases they realize they wouldn’t have any canonical backing anyway. Nowadays, priests or bishops “invite X to leave” the parish or diocese. (which basically means they are banned. The most famous case was Fr. Tran banning people who kneel during Mass from St. Mary’s by the Sea in Huntington Beach, but it’s not uncommon now. (you can find articles on that on FR) A Catholic Church is no place to kneel.
Isn’t Rupertus the Latin for Robert?
Oh please. When was the last time the CDW intervened to stop an abuse? Besides, the CDW and Vatican work on a glacial schedule. By the time they responded, the parties involved would probably be long gone.
It is impossible to be in schism with apostates, i.e, the false church of Vatican 2 - for whom nothing exists from before Vatican 2.
Epistle of Saint Paul to the Galatians, Chapter 1, Verses 8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
9 As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.
Epistle of Saint Paul to Titus, Chapter 3, Verses 10-11:
10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.
That’s a German name (Ruprecht), and I’ve seen Robertus around more (including one of my Classics profs, of course that was a while ago!) Not that that means anything — I think they’re cognates anyhow.
I agree that in many places, there are huge problems. This MP may very well be a start to turn the tide on things. Also, the pictures and videos DO help, because it gives proof of the abuse. Yes, the CDW may work at a glacial pace at times, but I suspect that in many cases, that is for lack of hard evidence of the problem. I do know for a fact that the pictures unnerve some of the bishops.
Thank you. From what I’ve learned, Vatican Council II didn’t destroy the Church. It was the “Spirit of Vatican II” among the bishoprics that wreckovated everything.
I’ve never had a problem with what VCII tried to do. The Church probably DID need to be more grass roots and lay-active. What I see now, though, that I never understood when I was younger, was that novelty opens the door and the devil comes breezing in. And now it’s in the house.
Hmmm... well obviously it would be hard for the Pope to personally handpick every bishop in the world. He has to rely on SOMEONE for advice. But there is no “head bishop” for the United States or anything. It’s totally his call. Again, it’s like supreme court appointments. You appoint apparent conservatives and sometimes (too often) they turn out to be liberals. But over time the CofC tends to be molded to the Pope’s disposition. If he sticks around long enough.
This one, though he’s not a young man, has the unusual benefit of having been one of the prior occupant’s closest advisors, not to say the “shadow pope”, though some HAVE said just that.
Then why do you even care what the Vatican Press Office says, if you believe the Church to be apostate?
the false church of Vatican 2 - for whom nothing exists from before Vatican 2.
Only the most ignorant and the most diabolical in the Church even believe anything that comes near to that.
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Having jettisoned the Pope and the Church, groups such as the CMRI (who is involved with the Quo Primum link that you posted -- I checked) and all other sedevacantists place themselves and their followers in grave danger of Hell because they place themselves outside of and against Holy Mother Church, outside of which there is no salvation.
Isn’t that Cardinal Arinze? I trust him. I want him to be Pope someday. I just love that guy.
Agreed. What many don’t realize is that in the Old Rite, the Office supplemented the readings of the Mass, meaning that both the Office and the Mass put together covered a lot of scripture - in one year, not three.
Yes, it is.
Cdl Arinze is delightful, but he is known to be very much opposed to the Tridentine Rite, and was supposedly one of those who organized the (otherwise mostly French and German) opposition to the MP.
Really??? That makes me sad.
Not in those worss, but the Papal Nuncio occupies the position you talk about is the Papal Nuncio. The position was occupied for a long time by Archbishop Jean Jadot, the Arrchbishop Pio Laghi. If you examine in, Pope John Paul II (and Pope Paul VI) were very laisez faire about nominations to the episcopate. Just because you opposed the Pope's positions, didn't mean you wouldn't become a bishop. If the Pope appointed like-minded bishops, his actions and words wouldn't be totally ignored in the U.S. (And if you examine it, most these bisops weren't closet liberals, as you suggest)
Incidentally, I just saw an article that a pastor in Alameda County is taking a one-year sabbatical. This priest has been pastor for a long time, and is mainly noted because in 2005 he announced during all Masses that he was homosexual. A few years earlier, he admitted being an alcoholic after getting in legal trouble over drunk driving. he also admitted to having sex with seminarian during the seminarian and having various affairs while he was a priest. Bishop Vigneron, who is supposed to be a conservative, has taken no action or made no statements in the last two years about this.
Robert is a Germanic name also. Rupertus is the Latin form of it I have seen.
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