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To: DungeonMaster

What you call ‘babble’ is Church history and teaching, not opinion. The actions and writings of the Church Fathers can be measured against current teaching and sadly, protestant beliefs do not square with them. It is partly for this reason ‘sola scriptura’ is taught because the ancient Churc’s eaching might conflict with one’s private interpretations. As a famous theologan once said, “to go back in history, is to cease to be protestant”. It might be babble to you if it doesn’t match your beliefs, you might want to evaluate your church’s teachings.

I’ll give you an example, you think Bishops are elders. They are in a sense but their title is Bishop. 1Tim 3:1-13 says that the Church would have Priests, Bishops, and Deacons. The Bible doesn’t call them ‘elders’.

In the earliest extra-biblical writing, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote before his martydom in the year 107 AD, “Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”

St. Cyprian of Carthage said, “Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if any one be not with the bishop, that he is not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep in, not having peace with God’s priests, and think that they communicate secretly with some; while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another.”
Epistle LXVIII-8, to Florentius Pupianus

So the Church can prove its apostolic teaching.
I am confident of my beliefs and I appreciate the Church, the “pillar and foundation of truth” (Tim 3).


367 posted on 07/24/2007 10:39:27 AM PDT by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: rbosque

>I’ll give you an example, you think Bishops are elders. They are in a sense but their title is Bishop. 1Tim 3:1-13 says that the Church would have Priests, Bishops, and Deacons. The Bible doesn’t call them ‘elders’.<

The Bible doesn’t really call them Bishops either.The origional Geeek uses the term Episkope which translates oversear.Many translations now use that term to be more accurate.

Again you fail to read the scripture you quote.The church is not called the “pillar and foundation of truth” it is not even implied to be in Timothy 3.
>I am confident of my beliefs and I appreciate the Church, the “pillar and foundation of truth” (Tim 3).,


368 posted on 07/25/2007 8:17:38 AM PDT by Blessed
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