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Who Gets to Define "Christian"?
Beliefnet.com ^ | Thursday June 28, 2007 | By Orson Scott Card

Posted on 07/13/2007 7:28:01 PM PDT by restornu

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To: narses

Thank you for sharing YOUR belief!


81 posted on 07/14/2007 8:46:49 PM PDT by restornu (Romney will win the Primary!:))
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To: restornu

Not just mine, but that of over 1,000,000,000 Catholics all over the world. That would be the belief of the Church that has survived 2,000 + years as the bearer of good News. That Church, the True Church, you know the One Church founded by Our Lord, Jesus Christ.


82 posted on 07/14/2007 8:52:36 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: LiteKeeper

Do you even know what Elohim means and where it came from? Elohim is plural first of all.


83 posted on 07/14/2007 9:03:07 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: narses

Thank again for sharing!:)


84 posted on 07/14/2007 9:03:17 PM PDT by restornu (Romney will win the Primary!:))
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To: beachdweller
churches “in error” or even “false churches” like the LDS contain genuine Christians who have through simple faith been born again, whether they really understand it or not

This is more or less precisely what the Catholic Church teaches — believe it or not.

I suspect there will be a good many surprises on Judgment Day — some pleasant, others horrible...

85 posted on 07/14/2007 9:05:28 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: restornu

Who gets to define “Christian”?

Jesus Christ -> St. Peter -> Linus [ ... ] -> Bl. John XXIII -> Paul VI -> John Paul -> John Paul II -> Benedict XVI

That’s who.


86 posted on 07/14/2007 9:13:07 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: DanielLongo

After a year of Hebrew, and 30 years of teaching the Bible, I am quite aware of the meaning of Elohim, to include that the word is in the plural form. You might want to employ your linguistic skills to discover that the plural noun, Elohim, is always used with a singular verb.


87 posted on 07/14/2007 9:47:57 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Enosh

I’m still trying to see how I have proven myself “not Christian.”


88 posted on 07/14/2007 10:26:30 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I love thy rocks and rills, thy woods and templed hills...)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Mormons deny the deity of Christ.”

Jesus Christ is my Savior; He is divine. He is the Son of God. What are you talking about?


89 posted on 07/14/2007 11:42:10 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!)
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To: B-Chan

And I agree, from the other direction. (ps are you really a monarchist?)


90 posted on 07/15/2007 2:18:50 AM PDT by beachdweller
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To: netmilsmom

Some Baptists do, but others do not. One of my closest friends is a Southern Baptist pastor whose leader teaches that there is a demon also named “Jesus” who is the God of false churches (including, in his view, both Catholics and Mormons). I disagree, and believe Jesus heeds the cry of those who call out to him as Savior, whatever conception of theology they may have (if it is genuine,even if it be in ignorance or error).


91 posted on 07/15/2007 2:18:52 AM PDT by beachdweller
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To: restornu
Acts 11:25 And he [Barnabas] left for Tarsus to look for Saul; 26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. New American Standard Bible

A good review of the chapters before this gives a fine definition of "Christian" through the words and acts of those to whom the name was given.

92 posted on 07/15/2007 2:27:26 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: restornu; narses
Who gets to define Christian?

(In context of Romney) He does.

Who gets to determine whether or not his definition is accepted?

I do. (Each of us have the right to determine whether or not his definition is accepted)

It's just that simple.

For me to determine whether or not his definition is accepted is based on his acceptance of the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds (in form...not that he needs to cite them every Sunday or anything). If his confession does not allow him to ascent to those creeds, he is not Christian.

But don't feel bad, I also don't call those who are in "oneness" communities Christian, either.

Don't feel badly, though, I think that the vast majority of LDS people I've met are wonderful people and have the utmost respect for how they live their lives.

We've had a lot of Unitarians as presidents in the past. (Unitarians don't subscribe to the Nicene and/or Athanasian Creeds either) Didn't seem to disqualify them. So I am not sure why being LDS would disqualify Romney. Look at it this way, I sure would rather see Romney in the Oval Office than a Kerry, a Pelosi, a Mikulski, or the vast majority of pols who call themselves Catholic -- and that statement is COMING FROM a Catholic.

93 posted on 07/15/2007 3:23:19 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Would you also ad that Jesus Christ is the One, True, and Only God? If not, you are in error, but may be born again.


94 posted on 07/15/2007 3:49:43 AM PDT by beachdweller
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To: restornu; WriteOn
The Lord is speaking currently not in the future but Paul's present.

Happened to see this post and getting a smile out of it. Maybe I'll post more later, for "for the present," what time period do you suppose Jesus was referring to, when He said, "I AM?"

Chuckle....

95 posted on 07/15/2007 3:49:43 AM PDT by unspun (FReep Bill O'Reilly on Iraq!)
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To: B-Chan
Jesus Christ -> St. Peter -> Linus [ ... ]

Jesus Christ

Just in case you forgot there were eleven other apostles.

And I listed him who would be first last, as is appropriate.

Matthew 20:25-28

Jesus called them together and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

96 posted on 07/15/2007 4:20:10 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: unspun; Reaganesque; Rameumptom; Grig; sevenbak; Utah Girl; tantiboh; DanielLongo; ComeUpHigher; ...
The unraveling of the Lord Gospel was happening on Paul watch.

That is why Paul received revelation from the Lord so he could teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Something to ponder sense it was an on going challenge in those days to keep the word of the Lord intact as Jesus made know in Gal 1.

There was 1800 years of opportunity to edit and revise the scriptures according the government in office.

That was why there was needed in the last day a restoration OF ALL things

Gal 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

That angel in Gal 1;8, had nothing to do with the latter day’s restoration

Revelation 14
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

97 posted on 07/15/2007 4:30:31 AM PDT by restornu
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To: Choose Ye This Day
'I’m still trying to see how I have proven myself “not Christian.”'

One elemental aspect is your disbelief in the Trinity. All Christians confess this to be true.

There are also several blasphemous teachings in the Mormon church which exclude by default.

98 posted on 07/15/2007 4:43:06 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Enosh

What does that mean?


99 posted on 07/15/2007 4:59:20 AM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
"That was why there was needed in the last day a restoration OF ALL things"

Hebrews 13:8-9

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by ceremonial foods, which are of no value to those who eat them.

100 posted on 07/15/2007 4:59:25 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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