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To: Forest Keeper

Are you saying that God is like a sports fan? Do you have Scriptural evidence of this?

I do not know if God will accept me into Heaven; the Lord knows that I hope and that I am doing what I can. I don’t have indwelling knowledge, or a get out of hell free card.

I don’t think that they exist.


6,332 posted on 09/15/2007 4:05:46 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Please receive the following for the humility in which I offer it to you, brother.

You posted: "I do not know if God will accept me into Heaven; the Lord knows that I hope and that I am doing what I can."

When Nicodemus came to Jesus at night asking after the message he might receive from Jesus, The Lord told Nicodemus that he must be born again. A short exchange ensued in which Nicodemus seemed confused, even focusing on being born of the flesh as with the amniotic fluid from the womb. But Jesus refocused Nicodemus to the birth in the Spirit. THIS birth is being born into a new family, the family of God! Once so born you cannot change in which family you are therefore born. When so born into that family, The Holy Spirit of God comes into you and Jesus assures that He (that Spirit of Truth) will never leave you or forsake you, for the seed that remained in Jesus is the same seed that remains in those born into His family! You can and ought know in your heart that you are in His family and He is coming back to get YOU to be with Him where He is preparing a place for you. When you are born again, born into God's family in Christ, you are --not will be or could be-- you are a new creation and to that new creation Jesus has promised He will never leave you or forsake you and you are not so powerful nor is Satan so powerful ('the gates of hell shall not prevail against The Holy Spirit) that you could be born out of His family! Exhibit the same faithe that Jesus exercised even unto the death of the cross and the resurrection, believe God ... now stop doubting you are in Him and walk accordingly, boldly, for the sake of others, for you are already seated with Him in Heavenly places!

6,364 posted on 09/16/2007 12:21:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; MHGinTN
Are you saying that God is like a sports fan? Do you have Scriptural evidence of this?

God is like a sports fan??? The sports analogy I drew was designed to illustrate that obedience requires specific intent as to a particular person or entity. A lost person is incapable of having specific intent to obey God, therefore, he cannot, no matter what he does. The saved person, however, IS enabled to obey God and does so with worship, prayer, good works, etc.

I do not know if God will accept me into Heaven; the Lord knows that I hope and that I am doing what I can. I don’t have indwelling knowledge, or a get out of hell free card. I don’t think that they exist.

I first want to associate myself with MHG's excellent comments in 6,364. The story of Nicodemus is a perfect example of how Jesus was trying to teach us that we may have assurance.

Second, I agree with you that there are no "get out of hell free" cards. What Christ did for us certainly was not free. He paid the ultimate price by becoming sin for us. What He went through has tremendous value. (I know we differ greatly on how valuable His sacrifice was.)

Third, I just wanted to note that your not having assurance in no way speaks to your actual salvation (in our eyes or God's). Here, not accepting what we would call a truth does not negate that truth. So, NONE of us Reformers and other Protestants around here (whom I've seen) would ever say that because we "know" we're in, but because you don't, you're out. That doesn't follow our theology at all. Assurance is available to all believers, but it is not required for entry into Heaven. We sort of "have" to say that because when many of us first became true believers (including me) we did not have true assurance.

6,643 posted on 09/19/2007 2:10:55 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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