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To: HarleyD

1. What is the purpose for the non-elect to repent? What happens if they do? What happens if they don’t.

2. What is the purpose for the elect to repent? Is it strictly a mechanical act? It would seem so.


6,881 posted on 09/21/2007 8:31:05 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD
Calvinists believe that the will is real. They just believe that a totally depraved person will never choose God because they don't choose anything eternally good....a result of their depravity.

However, and this is key, the calvinist also believes that REGENERATION PRECEDES individual Faith.

As Jesus said, "Except a man is born again, he canNOT see the kingdom..."

Once the will is renewed through regeneration, THEN he can repent and believe as an act of will.

If you don't get the sequence "regeneration, faith, repentance" correct, then you'll never understand calvinism.

But, I am just a paduwan in the tradition of someone or other. :>)

6,886 posted on 09/21/2007 8:39:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: MarkBsnr
1. What is the purpose for the non-elect to repent? 2. What is the purpose for the elect to repent?

The non-elect will never repent. God will call and call but they will never come. Noah spent 120 years preaching all the while he was building an ark that would only seat 8 people.

The purpose of the elect to repent is to submit to God. He is holy and He expects it of us. We just don't appreciate HOW holy God really is. We can only come to Him through Christ without being consumed.

6,894 posted on 09/21/2007 8:52:20 AM PDT by HarleyD
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