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To: jo kus
I disagree that God does NOT give all men the ABILITY to repent.

Please see post #6878. It must be God's will for man to repent. The evidence is all around us. If God really desired for all men to come to Him, they would come to Him. God commands, and then He must grant what He has commanded.

6,883 posted on 09/21/2007 8:35:04 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

With respect, the evidence is NOT all around us.

The Bible tells us that the Grace of God is available to all men. Jesus came to save the whole world. That is what the Bible teaches. That is what the Church teaches.


6,887 posted on 09/21/2007 8:40:32 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: HarleyD
It must be God's will for man to repent. The evidence is all around us. If God really desired for all men to come to Him, they would come to Him. God commands, and then He must grant what He has commanded.

I think we have discussed this before. I don't have the references handy as I eat my sandwich, but I recall that God's will is at two levels....

First, God desires all men to be saved. God desires that men obey His commandments. These are God's will. Yet, we know they are not done. Thus, at some level, God condescends to man to allow Him a choice. Thus, God's will is that man have a will DESPITE His will that He is obeyed. This divine condescenion is seen at the foot of the cross as well as the words of the Bible.

Secondly, God's will in other things will assuredly happen. HIS elect are called. The universe was created. And so forth.

Sorry, this peanut butter is good, so my attention is diverted and I can't do better at this time. However, I think it is clear that God's will is at different levels.

Regards

6,910 posted on 09/21/2007 9:46:54 AM PDT by jo kus
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