Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
No true Dispensationalist is concerned about the events happening before us, because we have the 'blessed hope' of the Lord returning for his Church before the Tribulation and take comfort in these words (1Thess.4:18)
It is just amazing how those who can claim they believe the prophecies of the 1st Advent and that God accomplished the fulfillment of those prophecies in the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ, would have any problem with fulfilling the 2nd Advent prophecies, which haven't happened yet.
It amazes me that any breathing, . . . Christian can assert and mean it that "The NWO doesn't exist."
Do such people take their eyes & ears out with their teeth at night?
THE FIRST BUSH BRAZENLY SIGNALED IT'S COMING BY NAME.
THE EVIDENCE is hidden in plain sight all over the place stacked high.
imho, only the willfully blind will not see such truths. Interestingly, more than one Preterist admits such privately. Mind boggling.
There will be no problem with God insuring that every jot and tittle of the Word is fulfilled to the nth degree. Doesn't matter if it's by TV or supernaturally or however.
Having lived in China extensively and watched their rapid modernization up close . . . lots of things can and will be quite easy enough.
Acts 2:5: Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
You don’t think “every nation” in that verse means that there were Jews that came to Jerusalem from places such as India and China, do you? And when Caesar took a census of the whole world, I’m sure you don’t think his census included China and India, do you?
“So, stop ‘cherry picking’ the verse.”
Actually, wrenching Matthew 24:30 from the rest of Matthew is cherry picking.
Jesus was asked a question about the destruction of the temple and the sign of His coming and the end of the age. He answered it, using OT language (Zechariah 12:10).
Again, the subject of the Olivet Discourse is about His coming in judgment and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple —the end of Mosaic Age. That is also the subject of most of Revelation.
I know we all tend to be self-centered and listen to what our itching ears want to hear. In fact, there’s a history of sensationalist views, each generation seeing the “signs” that they were the “last.” Those people would have been wiser had they been like the Bereans and studied their Bibles more closely.
BTW, I can’t let it go without mentioning this belief of yours that the Disciples and OT saints were saved without belief in Christ is very unbiblical. They all believed in Christ.
***Would you be willing to have that chip implanted?***
I have absolutely no problems with artifical or cybernetic devices of any kind. I am that certain that Dispensationalists are so far our in left field on this chip implatation thing I don’t quake with fear at the thought. An implant can’t MAKE you worship Satan. And the requirements to put the whole world under this Henny Penny vision of Dispensationalists is currently beyond man’s ability to achieve.
Some of the research stuff is so good it blows the mind of the learned.
***And the anti-Christ will handle that problem, since it will be required for everyone to worship him.***
Yes, I’m sure the anti-Christ will be a model engineer, linking the still majority of the world which doesn’t even have basic utilities to the technology of the world in just a few short years.
Obviously, you have no clue what is required or you wouldn’t propose such preposterous ideas.
I agree that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation. I believe non Jews will be saved during the Tribulation as well.
***No doubt, but it is coming and the anti-Christ will have amazing powers of ‘persusasion’ even able to deceive the elect if the days weren’t shortened.***
And, therein is the foundation. The elect cannot be deceived. Nor can they ever be deceived. Ergo, I do not fear the technology of man. Chips can’t make me stray.
And, I suppose that the vast majority of Dispensationalists aren’t true dispies by your definition. They are scared of getting “left behind,” of “being marked,” of all kinds of nonsense.
I give you credit. A couple postmillenialists/partial preterists have said they would never take the chance.
***I give you credit. A couple postmillenialists/partial preterists have said they would never take the chance.***
Their issue is a mistrust of our own government, not a fear of being deceived and made to worship Satan.
What I do find terribly amusing, and what belies Dispensational secret fears, is the fact that they confess with their lips that they will be raptured before these events which will cause all men on earth to receive this mark, yet they absolutely will not have anything to do with any type of implant, citing the mark of the beast. Methinks most Dispensationalists secretly fear that they have either their Eschatology wrong or they will be left behind. But, it is what you get when you have an entire theology that seeks signs of evil and doom ahead, with boogeymen all over the place.
And who said that they could?
What deceives in the Tribulation are great signs and wonders done by the false Christs and false prophets (Matt.24:24)
And, I suppose that the vast majority of Dispensationalists aren’t true dispies by your definition. They are scared of getting “left behind,” of “being marked,” of all kinds of nonsense.
No true dispensationalist is concerned about being 'left behind' since no Christian will be.
Now, I don't know what the 'left behind' series taught about sin and the what being a Christian means, so that may be the source of confusion.
As for being 'marked', my problem with it would be a privacy/freedom one.
I am not concerned about taking the 'mark of the beast' because I won't be here when he shows up!
Without a doubt! (Rev.7:9)
He will unite the world and since he will have Satanic power, will be able to make sure that all of those under his dominion, take the number and worship him.
Daniel 8: 23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
11: 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Rev.13: 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
You don’t think “every nation” in that verse means that there were Jews that came to Jerusalem from places such as India and China, do you? And when Caesar took a census of the whole world, I’m sure you don’t think his census included China and India, do you?
No, because the context tells you that.
But comparing scripture with scripture, the fact that all nations come against Jerusalem matches that same view in Rev.16:14-16.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
[“So, stop ‘cherry picking’ the verse.”]
, Actually, wrenching Matthew 24:30 from the rest of Matthew is cherry picking.
No one is 'wrenching' Matthew 24:30 from anything.
The verse lines up with Rev.1:7 and Zech. 12:10.
It is you who are attempting to deny what the verse says by attempting to change the words and ignore the context and related scriptures.
Jesus was asked a question about the destruction of the temple and the sign of His coming and the end of the age. He answered it, using OT language (Zechariah 12:10).
He used it by using the same language of Zechariah 12:10 which means exactly what it and Rev.1:7 state, that the entire world would see His return and would mourn at it-which didn't happen in 70AD.
Again, the subject of the Olivet Discourse is about His coming in judgment and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple —the end of Mosaic Age. That is also the subject of most of Revelation.
Yes, it is, but that destruction comes after the Church age, at the end of the 70th week of Daniel, not in 70AD, which doesn't match Zech.12:10, Matthew 24:10 or Rev.1:7 since Christ wasn't seen by all of the nation of the world, Jerusalam wasn't rescued, it was destroyed by the Romans, and the Jews didn't mourn or repent.
The only thing that Zech.12:10 has in common with the events of 70AD is that they happened at Jeruslaem and you have taken that have ignored all of the differences in those verses.
I know we all tend to be self-centered and listen to what our itching ears want to hear. In fact, there’s a history of sensationalist views, each generation seeing the “signs” that they were the “last.” Those people would have been wiser had they been like the Bereans and studied their Bibles more closely.
You don't believe what the Bible says, you study it to make it fit your own theology.
And one of the signs that was predicted we would see before the end came were 'scoffers' (2Pe.3:3).
BTW, I can’t let it go without mentioning this belief of yours that the Disciples and OT saints were saved without belief in Christ is very unbiblical. They all believed in Christ.
They did?
A Christian today is saved by believing in the Atoning work of Christ on the Cross and His Resurrection.
None of the original Apostles believed that Christ had to go to the Cross,they thought He was going to bring in the Kingdom, that was the Gospel that Christ Himself initially preached (Lk.4:43,Mark.1:15,Matthew 4:17).
Yet, all of them, except Judahs, were saved men (Jn.13).
Christians today do not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom, we preach the Gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24 cf 1Cor.15:3-5)
Peter didn't even mention Christ dying for the sins of the world in Acts 2!
Learning the Bible consists of both comparing and contrasting ('rightly dividing')
So, a person today who believes in Christ, has to believe something different then those who were saved before Christ's death and resurrection.
The Apostles believed that Christ was the Messiah and the Son of God, they did not believe that He was going to die for their sins. (Matthew 16:16-22)
Amen.
Amen.
The same lie that Satan used in Eden, 'ye hath God said'
And the woman both added and subtracted from God what had said, putting in her own opinions instead-and then doubted God's very veracity (2Pe.3:3-4)
Peter’s Confession of Christ
Mat. 23:13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15”But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.”
Of course the Disciples believed and they knew He had to die on the Cross and that He died for them and for us. There is only one way of salvation, one plan of salvation, and one people of God.
“But comparing scripture with scripture, the fact that all nations come against Jerusalem matches that same view in Rev.16:14-16.”
Unfortunately, dispensationalism not only doesn’t compare Scripture with Scripture but adds things that simply aren’t there (such as the belief that the church of Laodicea has some sort of double meaning).
Putting Scripture into context means to, first of all, understand the subject matter. Yes, Christ will return at the end of the world, but read Mat. 23 and 24 again. Jesus was speaking about the Jerusalem and the end of the age and there’s, again, no indication that He suddenly changed the subject.
BTW, another peculiar dispensational belief is the idea of a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.
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INDEED. forthedeclaration, your assessment is SOBERINGLY TRUE.
I think the following is at least worth some prayerful pondering and consideration and likely a good deal of prayer.
Just received this recently via email from a European ministry in Holland:
I send this e-mail with a great feeling of pressure into my heart!
First I received an e-mail from a friend who is a Rabbi and he shared a dream that he received with me, the Lord Immedialty gave me an explanation!
Then I received a word through Heather Butler!
The prayermeeting we had on SKYP this passed sunday ( Johan recorded it so you can listen to it on two websites Kathleen Pirl and ours)
Then a word that came up while Kathleen and I prayed for the urgent situation that there is.....
You think what is she talking about??????
They try to devide GODS Land......and He said I CAN NOT BE SILENT ANYMORE!!!
This word came up:
Joel 3
1 “For, behold, in those days,
And in that time,
When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations,
And will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat;
And I will execute judgment on them there for my people,
And for my heritage, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations.
They have divided my land,
3 And have cast lots for my people,
And have given a boy for a prostitute,
And sold a girl for wine, that they may drink.
9 Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare war.
Stir up the mighty men.
Let all the warriors draw near.
Let them come up.
10 Beat your plowshares into swords,
And your pruning hooks into spears.
Let the weak say, “I am strong.”
11 Hurry and come, all you surrounding nations,
And gather yourselves together.”
Cause your mighty ones to come down there, Yahweh.
12 “Let the nations arouse themselves,
And come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat;
For there will I sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
13 Put in the sickle;
For the harvest is ripe.
Come, tread, for the winepress is full,
The vats overflow, for their wickedness is great.”
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
For the day of Yahweh is near, in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and the moon are darkened,
And the stars withdraw their shining.”
16 Yahweh will roar from Zion,
And thunder from Jerusalem;
And the heavens and the earth will shake;
But Yahweh will be a refuge to his people,
And a stronghold to the children of Israel.
17 “So you will know that I am Yahweh, your God,
Dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain.
Then Jerusalem will be holy,
And no strangers will pass through her any more.
18 It will happen in that day,
That the mountains will drop down sweet wine,
The hills will flow with milk,
All the brooks of Judah will flow with waters;
And a fountain will come forth from the house of Yahweh,
And will water the valley of Shittim.
19 Egypt will be a desolation,
And Edom will be a desolate wilderness,
For the violence done to the children of Judah,
Because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
20 But Judah will be inhabited forever,
And Jerusalem from generation to generation.
21 I will cleanse their blood,
That I have not cleansed:
For Yahweh dwells in Zion.”
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Here the dream from the Rabbi:
From:
To: Teshuva Ministries Branch Of The Olive Tree
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: The meeting against Israel tomorrow
Thought I would share this with you.
It is not often that I have strange dreams but when I ask G-d to visit me in my dreams and some things happen, I take notice.
I dreamed that a black horse was coming at me but I was not afraid and I had to get on the horse. I was told to ride thru this particular city asking “where is Justice” it was like a warning and the towns were in disorder.
Then I woke up and thought of this in Rev. 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Not sure it really means anything but wanted to share it.
R G
Here the explanation:
Hi Brother!
Well I asked the Father and here it is:
He showed you in your dreams that He will separate [sic] the flag from the cargo! ( I received that word back in 2005)
The ones that are not really INTO Him, will fall out of HIS protection and arms!
Where is justice?
Thus saith the Lord:
“DO THEY TRUST ME!
THEY DO NOT FIGHT AGAINST ISRAEL BUT AGAINST ME!
And I Am the God of justice...I can not keep silence anymore!”
We are living in the days that those who are living with the Lord but trust in the goverment and their solutions will be unmasked!
He gave me the word this week: NO TIME TO CHOOSE ANYMORE between the best of both worlds! TRUST ON ME!!!
It is a big warning He gave to you both to the people of Israel and to the world that judge Israel!
Proverbs 11: 1
false scales are an abomination to ADONAI, but accurate weights please Him!
Catharina
Then I received this e-mail:
God does not do anything but that He tells His friends first...
those of you who are His friends will read this in whole and
hear what He is saying from His heart....
Subject: Anapolis meeting to divide Israel - - URGENT
DAVID & STEPHANIE HERZOG
THE GLORY ZONE NEWS
D.H.M.
EXTREMELY URGENT!
USA IN GREAT DANGER THIS WEEK!
This is the most urgent email we have sent so far. We have just returned
from speaking inside the U.N. in New York last week. Here is what is
happening right now in the Spirit and the warning for the USA this week.
ANAPOLIS, MARYLAND MEETING: PLAN: The U.S. is hosting a 3 day meeting in
Annapolis, Maryland called a “Peace Summit.” We have been receiving great and
severe warning from the Lord concerning this meeting for the entire USA.
In a nutshell the USA is leading the pack in pressuring Israel during this
meeting to:
1) Divide Jerusalem and give the Temple Mount to the Muslims
2) To cede all of Judea and Samaria and allow the establishment of an Arab
terrorist state called Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital. (”West Bank”
is the biblical Judea and Samaria, the heartland of Israel promised to the
Jewish people by God’s everlasting covenant.)
3) To give Palestinians control of the mountain ridge overlooking Israel,
placing all the large population centers within range of Katusha rockets.
4) To expel hundreds of thousands of Jews from their cities in Israel, thus
changing the entire demographics of the nation of Israel.
Every time the USA has attempted to pressure Israel to give up covenant land
we have had direct results of disaster with hours and days, often within 24
hours.
The last time I felt such a heavy burden for the USA was in the summer of
2005. The US pressured Israel to follow through in evacuating thousands of
Jews from Gaza and to give it up. As I watched this unfold a sense of
impending judgment was felt.
I told my wife and friends that something BIG was about to happen and that we needed to pray for God’s mercy. Shortly after we were driving through New Orleans. We were living in Florida at the time. During this time God led us to leave the southeast and move back to Arizona. As were drove across the country we were told to not stay the night in New Orleans but to pray for mercy not fully understanding why. When we arrived in Arizona we turned on the news to discover we had just escaped Hurricane Katrina by a few days and saw the devastation.
The Lord showed us that this was a direct result of “cause and affect” due to Israel being
pressured by the US to give up land. To this day there are still homeless Jews living in hotels, tents and from place to place across Israel as they lost everything in Gaza, the same holds true for thousands of people that used to live in New Orleans. There are many parallels including the fact that Gaza’s loss had the same direct impact on the Israeli economy as New Orleans did to the US economy due to the fact and Gaza was a major agricultural region for Israel.
Another time I felt this strange sense was on 2 other occasions. One was when President Bush announced he would be the first President to give the “Palestinians” a homeland by dividing the God given land of Israel. When I heard this my spirit was greatly saddened. Within 24 hours 911 hit. Another time he spoke these same words while we were visiting Israel. The next day the Space Shuttle blew up with an Israeli and US astronauts on board. The headlines were that the Space Shuttle divided and separated in mid- air over the city of “Palestine, Texas.” This was another major wake-up call concerning this issue. Several days later while in Jerusalem I
had a dream in which I met Pres. Bush and I told him that I had fasted and prayed for him to be elected during his first election but that the Lord his telling him to please not divide Jerusalem or judgment would fall on the USA. As I said this tears welled up in my eyes in the dream and Pres. Bush put his hands on my shoulder as he also started to tear for a brief moment.
The Lord opened the door for me to pray inside the White House first the East Wing and shortly after the Lord opened up the west wing for us to pray in the oval office, press room and other key rooms. The same prayer and declaration came into our spirit not knowing what was going on behind the scenes, praying that the US would not succeed as the nation that accomplished the dividing of Israel.
Recently the Lord told me to go into the U.N. and declare the glory of God, and also declare that confusion come to those in the U.N. that are also greatly influencing the division of Israel. We went in as God supernaturally opened the door immediately after God spoke this word to me and did exactly that and we felt a major rumbling in the Spirit. Not understanding fully at the time how the U.N. was so key in all of these we now know.
The “Peace Summit” is planned for November 27-29. November 29, is exactly 60 years to the day when the UN first voted to partition (divide) the Land of Israel under the British control at the time. What is re-occurring is using the same plan that originated with the UN and have it occur on the same day. Thus the reason the Lord sent us into the U.N. to blow the trumpet. (When Britain agreed to divide the land, England lost every colony worldwide starting with losing the influence and control it had over Israel. Now America is the key player that calls the shots and tell Israel what it can and cannot do. We really need to pray and fast the next 3 days like never before.
The Bible clearly talks about impending judgment on any nation that would divide the land of Israel.
Joel 3:2 “...there I will deal with and execute judgment upon them for My
people and My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations
and because they have divided up My land.”
The Bible goes on in explaining that the land of Israel was given by God not
man to the Jewish people.
Psalm 105:9, “Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath with Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant; saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance.”
At this moment the full power of the United States is doing everything in it’s power to succeed at dividing the land of Israel and Jerusalem this week. We as a nation are on a major collision course with God Himself and His covenant with Israel even though we are also the greatest nation with the most blessings, more Christian influence and more lovers of God and Israel among its citizens than any other nation yet no nation has ever touched the apple of His eye without severe and quick retribution. We love the USA and are so burdened for the harvest of souls and this nation that I was born and grew up in allowing me to be saved at a very young age due to the gospel being freely preached to us.
Recently I spoke at a conference in Wisconsin as I began to share to the people about this concern and about our U.N. meeting that was coming up. I shared that major shaking was coming and it could come in many forms and that I felt there was something this time with earthquakes. After the meeting I had some time alone with the Bob Jones, one of the few high level prophetic voices alive today. I shared my concern and asked him what he believed could happen if America helped divide Israel. He very clearly told me that if the USA were to succeed that there would very likely be the physical division of the land of America in a major earthquake along the New
Madrid Fault that runs exactly through the center of the country all the way from Chicago to Mississippi. He said that he prophesied this many years ago that it would happen but that this is what could be the thing that ignites it.
Today I received emails from 2 totally different ministries that mentioned this same possibility Concerning the New Madrid Fault Line dividing our nation. The true mature prophetic ministries should be hearing God speak about something as earthshaking and important as this. Those prophetic voices called to sound the trumpet who do not warn God’s people about what is happening or who seem to not have any revelation concerning Israel’s connection to America, revival and harvest and the nations need to ask God to take off the blinders or the “busyness” of ministry that have caused them to lose their prophetic edge. God does nothing but that he first reveals it to his servants or prophets. We are actually very shocked that there are not many more voices that seem to hear God’s voice not even hinting, speaking or writing their followers on the importance of this matter and to sound a clear alarm to pray.
As you know we are totally into revival, harvest, miracles, souls and an “all things are possible” mind set. It is not every day that we send something like this, on the contrary. But this sense has become so strong again we must alert all of you that pray for us, support us and read our
emails to stand with us in praying that
1) The “Peace Summit” would come to nothing
2) Ask God to remove any and all blinders from our current US President and
administration concerning dividing Israel.
3) If somehow an agreement is reached pray for major mercy in the midst of
judgment over the USA to lessen the casualties and that great harvest would
come as a result of any shaking or judgment that could come.
God is asking for all believers in the Lord to pray as the verse below
clearly explains.
Isaiah 62:6-7, “O Jerusalem, I have posted watchmen on your walls; they will
pray day and night, continually. Take no rest, ALL YOU WHO PRAY TO THE LORD.
Give no rest until he completes His work, until He makes Jerusalem the pride
of the earth”
WE SAID ALL THIS TO SAY THAT IF YOU LOVE THIS NATION AS WE DO PLEASE PRAY
AND FAST DURING THE NEXT 3 DAYS AND ALERT EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO PRAY
CONCERNING THIS.
PLEASE PASS THIS EMAIL ON TO THOSE THAT WILL PRAY...
THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW YOU ARE PRAYING
We thank you so much for your prayers and for standing with us,
David & Stephanie Herzog
I will not be silenced.
21st November 2007
1 John 1
In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God and The Word is God.
The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob will not be silenced, He will not keep quiet, He will not give in! God is the great I am and those who deny the truth of His solemn oath to Israel and to the Jews will one day bow the knee and confess Him as Lord.
The Father has been patient, He has let the nations have their say, but now it is time for Him to speak.
Israel groans with anguish, like the mother who’s child was stolen by another mother who’s child had died, to protect her child from death she was willing to give that child away, but king Solomon gave the child back into the hands of the right mother recognizing her heart to give away what was rightfully hers to protect its life.
There are those willing to give away the child to save it like this mother, but like the mother who stole the baby, many only want to destroy the baby if they cannot not have it.
Israels tears are many, and she is searching for a voice in the chaos to come and bring a word that is truth and life to her and not death.
Many call upon His name, but do not know the one whom was sent, they have not seen with eyes open to the glory of the Lord because they chose not to look. The day is coming when He will open the eyes of those who call upon His name and they will see with faces unveiled the fullness of who I am truly is.
In Loving kindness and promise the Father gave this land as an inheritance, but like a thief in the night there are those who plan and scheme to take it for agendas unseen by man, but seen by the Lord.
You leaders who meet in Annapolis deal wisely and with great courage with those throughout the nations who would try to give away more land. Hear the voice of the Father as He enables you to change your stance, and speaks to your heart. Do not be afraid, it is not to late.
The Father will thwart the plans of those who oppose Him, and they will know the sweeping of His arm against them.
The time for silence is over, the time for action is now. There is a battle to be won, and it is written that He will have the last say.
The seal has been broken.
The Lord is shaking Israel and the nations, shaking them out of complacency, making them arise and take note of the seriousness of this moment, The Father is bringing to her a word that is powerful and strong, that is as it was from the dawning of creation. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word is God! He is here to save he is watching waiting listening to the plans against Israel and He is roused.
God is determined to perform His will in season and out of season for the sake of Israels inheritance.
Ready your sons and your daughters for battle, ready them with the words that have been handed down to you, that they will wear them as the armour of God, that they will carry the sword that will divide and conquer . Ready them to raise the standard of YHWH as the banner over the armies of Israel. (this is not speaking of Armaggedon)
The Lord is shaking the earth like only He can, to prove that he is the one who has the authority to do such things.
He has been patient with the nations, but they pour scorn upon Him and and upon His Son, they have taken His name from their meetings and from their gatherings, they have struck the almighty Gods name from their monuments of stone.
No man will have to stand to defend Him, for it is His right to fulfil the promises He has made to Israel and those whom He has called.
Use this thanksgiving as a time to look upon His provision and His goodness, use this time to declare the sovereignty of the lord. Use this time to see how prophecy was fulfilled the moment Israel was re born, see how He kept His promise then, and means to keep it still.
Those who oppose YHWH have no understanding of prophecy, they plan, they overturn, and they present a case against Him,.
There is not one jot or tittle that will be forgotten of His promise to the Jews.
I hear the cry of the nations, they are in pain, suffering, weak, they have lost their voice as nation joins with nation to combat the one true God, but the end result will be what is written, it will not be revoked, it stands clear and true.
Those who have shunned the Father, those who dared to say that He no longer exists or is not relevant today will reap what they have sown. Their altars will fall before Him, and they will be crushed by the very foundations that they tried to tear down and replace with their own.
God is a Father who’s love is fierce, He will no longer tolerate the meddling of those who do not understand the times , who do not consider their ways, who’s eyes are blinkered hear this, your time is limited.
Even now, He offers you a hand, even now He gives you a way out, even now He would come as a Father and give you the opportunity to turn from your wicked ways not willing that you should be lost to Him for eternity such is His love……The choice is yours.
Read Revelation, what does it say about the church in the last days, and you will see yourselves in those pages that mark the last chapters of this age.
Israel belonged to Him first the creation of His own hands, the Father gave an inheritance to the apple of His eye, it stands as much to day as it ever did.
Fruitfulness will not return to the lands given away, they will become the barren dry places they once were. When will you learn, that fruitfulness comes from His goodness, from His hand, and from no where else. Let this be a sign to you that even though you take what is not rightfully yours, it will not yield to you a harvest.
The Father has not finished shaking you, he has not finished speaking.
Every time you come against Israel, every time you try to divide her and give her as spoil to the nations you will see His reply in your own land.
Come forth you end time prophets and bring revelation into the courts of those who do not see nor understand. Come forth from the wilderness where you have been in preparation, come forth and lead with wisdom and truth, come and influence the leaders of your nations.
You will sit at the banqueting tables of Kings and Queens and leaders of nations, you will feed those who listen by the Word of His Spirit and truth.
Israel, cry out for your Messiah, cry out for Elijah.
Todays news is that there has been another quake in Israel, measuring 4.1 on the richter scale, there has been no damage.
I believe that the Father is speaking, he is giving his reply to those who would divide and give away what is not theirs to give.
Taken from the prophetic word I sent out this week.
The Lord is shaking Israel and the nations, shaking them out of complacency, making them arise and take note of the seriousness of this moment, The Father is bringing to her a word that is powerful and strong, that is as it was from the dawning of creation. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word is God! He is here to save he is watching waiting listening to the plans against Israel and He is roused.
God is determined to perform His will in season and out of season for the sake of Israels inheritance.
It is time to wake up those who are asleep and tell them what time it is, its time to write to the politicians, to question the motivation behind the decisions others make on behalf of Israel, its time to open our eyes and see what is about to happen, and recognise that we are all, each one of us capable of becoming a voice in what seems like the wilderness at times.
Oh lord that you would come and open the blind eyes of those who do not understand the times concerning Israel, that you would enable those in the Knesset to have an insight into your heart, that you would place within those who are in leadership wisdom, and strength to do what is only right for Israel in your sight. We ask that you cancel their agendas and have your way, We pray that you would speak in dreams to those politicians who are willing to give away the land of inheritance, that you would show them the reality of what that will do. We pray give them no rest until they come into line with your word and into agreement with you concerning Israel in the name of Jesus I pray amen.
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It’s not by might not by power but by my Spirit saith the Lord
Amen!
Isn't it amazing that the world is so concerned about what happens in the little city of Jerusalem?
Zech. 12: 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
They did?
Is that why Peter tried to stop Christ from doing so? (Matthew 16:) 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Ofcourse, none of the Apostles thought Christ was going to the Cross to die for their sins and that is why they fled and then doubted that Christ had risen.
Of course the Disciples believed and they knew He had to die on the Cross and that He died for them and for us. There is only one way of salvation, one plan of salvation, and one people of God.
Not according to the scriptures they didn't.
But don't let the scriptures get in the way of your theology-it hasn't so far.
[ “But comparing scripture with scripture, the fact that all nations come against Jerusalem matches that same view in Rev.16:14-16.” ]
Unfortunately, dispensationalism not only doesn’t compare Scripture with Scripture but adds things that simply aren’t there (such as the belief that the church of Laodicea has some sort of double meaning).
Actually, dispensationalism is the only system that actually deals with what the scripture says and doesn't try to allogerize them away.
The fact that you couldn't deal with the verse, but could only attack dispensationalism, exposes that fact.
Putting Scripture into context means to, first of all, understand the subject matter. Yes, Christ will return at the end of the world, but read Mat. 23 and 24 again. Jesus was speaking about the Jerusalem and the end of the age and there’s, again, no indication that He suddenly changed the subject.
Putting scripture into context, means reading what it says and not trying to find ways to avoid the clear meanings.
Now, none of the events described in Zech. 12:9-10 happened in 70AD, there were no nations, there was no rescue by Christ, no conversion of the Jews.
The only thing that is common with the events of 70AD and the future tribulation described in Matthew 24 is that they both occur in Jerusalem.
So, you just ignore what you can't explain or try to 'double-talk' it away (it reallllly means this, not that)
BTW, another peculiar dispensational belief is the idea of a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.
Yes, and there is and we are in it right now
INDEED! INDEED!
I, too, am concerned about this summit and its effects on our beloved America and on Israel. May God spare us and give us his mercy, even though we don’t deserve it. I’ve read before about an earthquake that would divide our nation down the middle.
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