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To: Semper

I can see that you are not “persuaded”, as you originally proposed that you could be. So I’m not going to be engaging in this thread or any more like it after this post.

Just as a closing thought: I don’t believe that sin is the result of “current human consciousness”. I do believe that sin visits itself on our conscience, in one form or another, whether it be by repentance, by denial of guilt, or some manifestation of mental unrest. But it is our conscience, and not our consciousness, that produces the inevitable response to the effects of our sins.

It is sin which is in need of redemption, not consciousness.

“...our consciousness changes and our sins diminish”

As our conscience convicts us of our transgressions, our sins cry out for redemption, and through the saving grace of the Cross, we are set free and our tendency to sin—one hopes—grows less and less powerful.

You appear to have remained unpersuaded about a number of things that you brought up for discussion. So I am disengaging from it all.


88 posted on 11/17/2007 8:38:54 AM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Semper; Running On Empty
Semper, I have to agree with Running on Empty when he says:

"I can see that you are not “persuaded”, as you originally proposed that you could be. So I’m not going to be engaging in this thread or any more like it after this post."

You asked how a "pro-life" position can oppose abortion and support war. The question has been answered... in detail with supporting Scripture. If you have any other questions regarding this matter, feel free to ask me, however, don't expect me to change my mind just as you don't appear to be able to be "persuaded".

FRegards,
DocRock

89 posted on 11/17/2007 10:32:47 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Running On Empty
You appear to have remained unpersuaded about a number of things that you brought up for discussion.

My beliefs have come from over 50 years of experience and study. To become unpersuaded during the course of one or two discussions would be unreasonable - I would not expect that from you. Because you disagree with someones beliefs and because you can't change those beliefs easily is not a good reason to run away from the challenge.

The value of these discussions is mainly in the help they might give to better understand difficult and important issues. Concepts communicated by organized religion are a good foundation and examining these concepts with independent thinking is also valuable in our progress towards a better life.

93 posted on 11/20/2007 9:13:34 AM PST by Semper
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