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To: HarleyD; kosta50

***It was wrong for the Church to have officially stated, with the seal of the Pope, that people can pay to get their friends and relatives out of hell.***

The practice was to have the folks provide works in order to help those in purgatory. The intent (aside from a few local bishops who reaped their reward) was to have the prayers and the intents of the faithful mean something. It obviously was misused. Therefore the practice was for all intents and purposes, stopped.

***Also, there are conflicts between Vatican 1 and 2.**

Such as?

***Finally, assuming the “Church of Christ” formulate correct theology, then everyone else formulates incorrect theology including the Orthodox. I think they would have a problem with that statement.***

The Church of Christ most definitely includes the Orthodox. For those of the Reformed persuasion who do not believe that anything beyond yesterday matters, let me remind you that in the first millennium, most of the heretics were of the East and that the Latins held Orthodoxy. In the latter years, we Latins have strayed a tad and the Orthodox have held fast. It is a Catholic Church and not a Roman one. And I think that almost all of us understand that.

I think that it would be worthwhile from a Reformed point of view to understand that as well.


1,004 posted on 02/01/2008 7:35:15 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD
Mark to HD: The Church of Christ most definitely includes the Orthodox. For those of the Reformed persuasion who do not believe that anything beyond yesterday matters, let me remind you that in the first millennium, most of the heretics were of the East and that the Latins held Orthodoxy. In the latter years, we Latins have strayed a tad and the Orthodox have held fast. It is a Catholic Church and not a Roman one. And I think that almost all of us understand that.

I agree, but I think HD was referring to our doctrinal differences. Again, our doctrinal differences are not differences of belief but of definition. It is not that we believe in that Mary in not immaculate, but how she got to be that way; we do not deny the original sin, but what it means.

There are ecclesial differences that are not doctrinal, such as the extent of papal jurisdiction (something actively discussed by both particular Churches as we write).

The Catholics state that the Orthodox lack the 'fullness" of the Catholic Church because they are not (yet) in communion with the Pope. That is true!. Just as it is true that the Catholic Church is not full because it is not communion with the Eastern part of the Church! Or for that matter because it is not in communion with the apostate Protestant communions.

The Church will not be full until we all share the Eucharist; only then will the Church experience the fullness in Christ literally speaking.

1,042 posted on 02/02/2008 8:17:34 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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