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To: Forest Keeper
Dear Brother, I have come to the conclusion that unless you can grasp that “eternity” is not a long timeline, than you're never going to fully understand the power of God
Eternity is not a timeline it's more like a total “present” without past or future: God is all NOW Calvary was in “time” but Christ is outside of time, and everything He did on earth is with Him in eternity. “Slain from the foundation of the world.”

So,you are correct in saying redemption is finished (so does the Catholic Church) but the souls who have yet to be born are not yet “saved.” They are redeemed but must exercise faith to be saved.

God works outside of time,FK, and the Sacrifice can be presented to him at any time.

The Early Christian's who were smarter and holier than you or I knew this clearly and DID NOT limit Our Blessed Lord.

You use your personal modern interpretations of the Bible that have no consistency through the ages

I wish you well in your search for the Truth!

6,825 posted on 08/05/2008 1:58:58 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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Eternity is not a timeline it's more like a total “present” without past or future: God is all NOW Calvary was in “time” but Christ is outside of time, and everything He did on earth is with Him in eternity. “Slain from the foundation of the world.”

I just see very selective use of that concept in Catholicism. In some cases Christ didn't accomplish anything because He's "outside of time" so men must clean up the mess by repeating what He did. In others Christ DID accomplish something, as in the raising of Lazarus. Or, is Lazarus still being raised every day? There is no consistency to the Catholic use of the concept except expediency for desired extra-scriptural theology.

So,you are correct in saying redemption is finished (so does the Catholic Church) but the souls who have yet to be born are not yet “saved.” They are redeemed but must exercise faith to be saved.

We disagree strongly on what "finished" means. I say it means that redemption is done and complete for all time for all the elect, past, present, and future. God has already ordained that the elect who do not yet have faith, born or unborn, WILL have faith. Since God is outside of time, it is "already done". What does "finished" mean to you? I suspect it means nothing like the English word suggests, OR, that the Catholic idea of what Christ accomplished is very small. For example, if I cut my grass up to halfway through the yard, I would expect a Catholic to say "It is finished". I would say I still have the other half of the yard left to mow before it is finished. The Catholic concept just doesn't work in the English. :)

6,826 posted on 08/05/2008 4:36:56 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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