Before you convert to Roman Catholicism... (Top Ten List)

http://www.reformationtheology.com/2007/08/before_you_convert_to_roman_ca.php ^ | 7 Aug 2007 | James White

[Gamecock]

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[Matchett-PI]

bttt

[Quix]

THANKS

for the solid, Biblical and important cautions.

[Lee N. Field]

I think I’ll just sit back and watch the show.

[Ottofire]

Well, thanks GC!

I am sick and was in need of some good entertainment. This is going to translate into a great man flick. Action! Adventure! Ad Hominem! Straw man smacking!

Hold on, ye Catholics! Please don’t start until I have my popcorn!

[Alex Murphy]

Have you actually taken the time to find sound, serious responses to Rome's claims, those offered by writers ever since the Reformation, such as Goode, Whitaker, Salmon, and modern writers? I specifically exclude from this list anything by Jack Chick and Dave Hunt.

I am hereby granting a special dispensation against Irving's Law being invoked here, on these two grounds...

1) that the author is specifically saying avoid Jack Chick apologetics, and
2) this is one of the rare times when I've ever heard a Protestant even mention Jack Chick...

[tdunbar]

Have you gone to Mass at least once a week for, say, a year so that you can make a comparison that is at least somewhat reasonable? :)

[Mr. Jeeves]

Kind of like watching two Homeowners Associations duke it out over a property line encroachment. ;)

[Petronski]

Straw man smacking!

That's already begun. Read the article.

[Claud]

upon what possible grounds could you come to embrace a system that at its very heart denies you the peace that is found in a perfect Savior who accomplishes the Father's will and a Spirit who cannot fail but to bring that work to fruition in the life of God's elect? Do you really believe that the endless cycle of sacramental forgiveness to which you will now commit yourself can provide you the peace that the perfect righteousness of Christ can not?

Err...here's the thing Gamecock. We have believe it or not a moral assurance of salvation. IOW, we have all the peace that you guys claim to have because we know that God's mercy outweighs all our sins. I have every expectation that I will get to heaven if I persevere.

The sacraments are not at all *instead of* Christ's righteousness, they are empowered *by* and *through* Christ's righteousness.

I wonder....if this guy was out drowning in a lake, and Christ threw him a life preserver, would he refuse to take it? "Hey, because I'm not saved by a life preserver....that's just an inanimate object! I'm only saved by Christ! Not some piece of styrofoam!!!"

Meanwhile, Christ keeps telling himm..."Take hold of the life preserver". But he refuses. "No life preservers!!! No styrofoam!!!!" So he drowns.

Christ saves how He wills. It's not up to you or I decide how salvation works out. If Christ wanted to use bread and water and oil and wine to impart grace, then by gum, I'll take the bread and water and oil and wine and be darn thankful that He did so.

Endless cycles of sacramental forgiveness my foot!

[Alex Murphy]

Kind of like watching two Homeowners Associations duke it out over a property line encroachment. ;)

More like watching two Homeowners Associations duke it out, with both HOAs claiming sole authority over an entire subdivision!

[Alex Murphy]

If Christ wanted to use bread and water and oil and wine to impart grace, then by gum, I'll take the bread and water and oil and wine and be darn thankful that He did so.

Funny you should put it that way....

[brooklyn dave]

I am not disputing anything in the post, but most people don’t convert into a church (be it Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox) from such a studied in depth perspective. They enter a church body because of something more emotional or personal——a faith experience that isn’t logically reasoned. Who am I to question or dispute another’s faith experience?

[Ottofire]

Um... I am not the originator of the post, however...

Yes, I was a Roman Catholic, and a large majority of my mothers family is still. My grandmother, raised a Catholic all her eighty some odd years, first heard the Gospel on her deathbed, thank the Good Lord.

[evets]

Chickens. Home. Roost.

[Gamecock]

Your thoughts?

[Petronski]

...raised a Catholic all her eighty some odd years, first heard the Gospel on her deathbed...

She heard the Gospel all her life at Mass, if she went.

[Petronski]

You’re really linking up the garbage you posted in that #199?

You really want to show that off?

Oh my . . . wow.

[Zionist Conspirator]

For some reason, the number one damning fact about Catholicism--that over the past century and a half it has (for all intents and purposes) moved from a strong inerrantist position on the Bible to one of the most liberal--has been left out.

Wish you Prots would occasionally point this out. It is important to you, isn't it?