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To: Ottofire
Anything that is a continual repeating sacrifice that does not perfect for all time is just the continuation of the sacrifices that the Jews did.

I see you're displaying your ignorance of Scripture, yet again.

"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness:" 1 Corinthians 1:23

"For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until He come." 1 Corinthians 11:26

15 posted on 04/13/2008 5:29:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Here, A.A., a verse that speaks directly to the issue:

Hebrews 10:
1 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.
2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins?
3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.

4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

10By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;

12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,

13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.

14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,
16 “THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM
AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART,
AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM,”
He then says,
17 “AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS
I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

So when the RC priest has to continually re-sacrifice Christ he is saying Christ Jesus’ blood is as effectatious as the blood of bulls and goats. What? Why? Because the mass does not perfect the elect, once and for all time. It removes the sins of the past, and further sacrifices, just as in the old temple, are required. The mass does what the old temple sacrifices did. The rituals are different, but the effect is the same.

Is this what the writer of Hebrews describes? I think you can read it clearly. You do not need a doctorate in theology to see that what is described here is a once and for all, all perfecting in the eyes of the Father, sacrifice. He is sitting at the right hand of the Father, waiting. He is not being dragged down continuously for re-sacrifice for the non-perfected. He is simply waiting for the time of His return, when His enemies will be His footstool.

Romans 8: 1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

To be convinced of your salvation; to have all your future sins already washed clean; to not fear future judgement and purgatory is so far beyond what the mass promises with its hope but not assurance of salvation; only your past sins cleansed and fear of future mortal sin; and a fear of further judgement and torture for the purging of sins in order to be perfected.

The mass as the perfect prayer? It is a piteous uncompleted sacrifice and a half promise of salvation compared to the biblical promise: For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. With this I fear no further judgement, no purgatory, nothing. I am assured of salvation, and I have the most glorious promise from God of it!


18 posted on 04/13/2008 8:13:40 PM PDT by Ottofire (Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?)
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